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Post by KoCha » Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:47 am

I like the descripiton of MZ and it's the same i do, but i prefer to make hear the man.. and then it understand ;&#41; <BR> <BR>quote : <BR>"all I can say is: there's no dub without reggae." <BR> <BR>They have over music style that use dub technique but i totally agree : Dub was nothing without reggae! and keep old vibes in mind. <BR> <BR>Love to read your so long post mike zee. <BR> <BR><A HREF="http://www.kocha.fr.st" TARGET="_top">KoCha</A>
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Post by eprst » Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:27 pm

if i may say there is no such thing as drum n bass with no bass.. someone said a track called pulp fiction started the craze, how you could miss the bassline in pulp fiction is beyond me ;&#41;!!! perhaps you should listen again.. even the so-called intelligent or atmospheric drum n bass - theres still bass!!! deep bass!! <BR>yes the majority of drum n bass now is just 7mins worth of distorted synth lines over a looped break.. but the beatscience and the creativity that was the defining factor of drum n bass in its early days is coming back and gathering a loyal &#40;if still relatively small&#41; crowd of followers!

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Post by Mike Zee » Tue Jul 01, 2003 11:05 pm

eprst, yeah, you right. <BR>But, the way it goes: first <FONT COLOR="ff0000">IT</FONT> gets "deep" then it gets 'transparent'...and next thing - IT is gone ...heh heh <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> <BR>Some producers may call it, like: natural 'evolution' of drum'n'bass... then again , some producers will start waving that "flag of freedom of artistic expression" and "breaking the 'law' ...or what have Ya' ...<IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> <BR> <BR>The bottom line, imho, if there's no bass - there's no drum'n'bass .... if the bass is on the adge with 'transparancy' and 'silence' ... to me it's no mystery..... I don't want to 'imagine' the bass sound &#40;nor "feel it within my deep soul adventures"&#41; in the holes of nothingness... I want to actually hear it, so bring it on, man lol ....<IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> <BR> <BR>/respects <BR>/Mike Zee, aka Dr. ZEE <BR><A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/music2/mikezee/zdl.html" TARGET="_blank">ZDL</A>

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Post by bad_brain » Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:53 pm

I'm quiet surprised that I didn't find anything about the Congo Natty label in a topic about jungle/dnb on a reggae forum. For those who don't know this Londonian jungle label, I strongly advise you to check for : <BR> <BR>the whole RAS serie &#40;01-13, beware of the bad reissues&#41;, produced around 96-97 which contain masterpieces like Junglist, Fever of Emeperor Selassie I; some plates of the ZION serie &#40;1998-99&#41; contain good remixes &#40;avoid at all cost the first one, which contain an emetic mash up of bmw's exodus&#41;; the rest of the Congo Natty discography is quiet a mess : you've got plenty of white labels and shitty repress, so take care if you buy. Additional recomendations would be the RASTA album &#40;contain original versions of later remixed songs&#41;, the LION serie &#40;95, quiet funny jump-up style plates&#41;, the original dubplates form 93 and 94 &#40;for documentation purpose :-&#41;&#41;, and some of the recent prods like LASTDAYS, JAHNODEAD2001, BOBMARLEY, STARLINER, HAILESELASSIEILIVES &#40;this is really if you prefer the actual sound or if you can't get enough of CN&#41; ... <BR> <BR>Even if you're not a jungle head, you should check these prods cause there's a LOT of reggae and dancehall samples in and it's quiet funny to recognise them while listening. For me, that jungle IS reggae music in a new shape ... check it anyway :-&#41;. If you want to trade mp3 or just to talk bout music, mail me. <BR> <BR> <BR>Sorry for my lousy English &#40;I'm French&#41;. &#40;Great site and forum by the way&#41;

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Post by Mike Zee » Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:01 pm

<FONT COLOR="ff0000">I'm quiet surprised that I didn't find anything about the Congo Natty label in a topic about jungle/dnb on a reggae forum.</FONT> <BR> <BR>Bad_Brain, what is sooooooo surprising? Guys are discussing <FONT COLOR="119911">difference between breakbeat,breaks and drum & bass</FONT>, why would they mention Congo Natty lable... or any lable in that regard ??? <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> <BR> <BR>Jungle is Reggae in New Shape? hmmmmm that's rather stretch than true ;&#41;. There's allots of productions with many reggae and dancehall samples in it, which are not even close to reggae.... nor dub. Similar to example: if you use Carl Orff's Carmina Burana samples to mix it with rave techno beat - this will not make it classical in a new shape nor form, but it will be a rave techno track with Orff's Carmina Burana samples in it <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> <BR> <BR>/respecta, <BR> <BR>/Mike Zee aka Dr. ZEE

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Post by bad_brain » Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:23 pm

:-&#41; don't see nothing bad here ... just talking about Congo Natty to present it to people who don't know it, cause I love it ... when I say "reggae in a new shape", I mean "by the spirit of the music" not by any technical issue so there's no need to argue on that. <BR> <BR>Peace. <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;">

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Post by interruptor » Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:43 pm

i also like the congo natty stuff.

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Post by bad_brain » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:07 pm

This has nothing to do with CN but has with the topic <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> : originally, breaks didn't come from sampling or pc editing, it was all about the turntable technics of the old school hip hop djs. Them bought two times the same record, and they played play the break on one table, cut the sound of that table, played the break on the other one and so on ... skilled djs could do the whole beats of songs simply with their hands, VERY skilled djs could sort out irregular rhythms from simple breaks &#40;check today's DJ Shadow <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> &#91;GOD himself&#93;&#41;. <BR> <BR>About Congo Natty, which are your favourite tunes, interruptor ? <BR> <BR>And also, I would like to learn how to build preamps and electronic stuff like that, I have no skill at all in that field, any advices ? &#40;I actually know this is not the right topic to ask that, so where's the right place ?&#41; <BR> <BR>Thanks.

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Post by howitza » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:53 am

Peace ya'll I just came across this board and have found many interesting tings a gwan. Big up all the Idren here <BR>I would like to clarify/contribute to the definition of breakbeat. The break is the part of a soul/jazz or funk song where the band "breaks" leaving the drummer to carry the rhythm for a few bars. These breaks are the basis of early sample driven hiphop ie-Marley Marl&#43;The Bomb Squad, as well as its deranged raver cousin -Hardcore Breakbeat Techno. Layered or chopped up and edited &#40;mashed up&#41; with samples and other drum machines and analog basslines, these breaks are the skeleton of drum and bass music. The original Jungle/Drum and Bass sound was born when Hardcore Breakbeat Techno&#40;basically sped up instrumental hiphop with layered synths and drum machines&#41; applied dub basslines to the mix. Check Bassline Dub by Code 071 on Reinforced 1992 for an early example. Drum and Bass is the name given to the music that was less derogatory than "jungle techno" as it was originally called. The shift may have occured as more Bristolians got into the scene, many of whom would have been second generation Jamaican immigrants. <BR>Ragga is jungle with dancehall samples characterised by rudeboy attitude and heavily edited &#40;mashed up&#41; breaks-most notably the Amen break &#40;from The Winstons-Amen Brother. Ragga came to be around 93 and peaked in popularity with M Beat's Incredible which charted in the UK. Ragga has survived in pockets &#40;Congo Natty is a notable example as well as Rewind records, N20, Big Cat, and Chopsticks&#41; The drum and bass scene moved on to Jumpup&#40;same fromula as ragga but with hip hop samples&#41;, Atmospheric, Hardstep, Techstep, Liquid Funk, Drumfunk, Clownstep, Flavor of the... <BR>At some point in time Drum and Bass/Jungle kept increasing in tempo, and a scene split off calling itself Breaks&#40;or Funky Breaks or Nu-Skool breaks, etc.&#41; They took the tempo down a notch and were able to mix with techno, house, and trance forming whole new scenes like 2step garage. <BR>The answer to the question of this thread is basically tempo. Breaks&#40;the style, not the beats&#41;tunes usually fall between 125 and 140 bpms, while Drum and Bass these days is anywhere from 165 to 180&#43; bpms. <BR>For newer dubwise jungle/drum and bass check Digital, Amit, Breakage, and Alec Denver... More subtle production aesthetic than Congo Natty's hardstep with reggae samples stylee. No disrespect I dig them too, but I rate the aforementioned higher musically <BR>To recap <BR>A breakbeat is a clean sample of a drumbeat. <BR>Breaks is a style of breakbeat oriented music that is 125-140 bpms <BR>Drum and Bass/Jungle is a style of breakbeat oriented music at 165-180&#43;bpm <BR>Hip Hop especially circa 1988-1991 is a style of breakbeat oriented music at 75-120bpm <BR>bpm=beats per minute <BR>I hope this is helpful. Peace and Love, Idren... <BR> More Time

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