I agree with you aleph and rootz, and it's not only exotic spirit of 70's but it's really sound more beautiful, for me... <BR> <BR>Yes but humanization+MIDI is the best to emulate a group.. and i'have got no backband.. so i do with what i have ;) <BR> <BR>See you, <BR> <BR>KoCha <BR>www.almighty-dub.com
Yess... <BR> <BR>Yeah, it sounds beautiful too... But why does it sound beautiful? Is there such a thing as absolutely beautiful sound? What I'm saying is I think at least in my case I assign beauty to certain sounds but I'm not sure whether this has that much to do with the sounds themselves or with the associations they bear...? <BR> <BR>If ya want an analogy, think about language. A word might sound ugly, as far as the actual _sound_ of that word goes, but at the same time it might evoke positive feeling because of the things the hearer associates with it. Anyway, this is esoteric stuff, I just often think about how much of the value we give to certain type of the music is actually due to musical as opposed to extramusical factors. <BR> <BR>Btw, I'd use some sequenced tracks without humanisation (to establish the ground zero) and the record rest of the tracks played by humans... A good bass player can make a drum machine swing, they say (I wouldn't pretend to be able to do that myself<IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)">). <BR> <BR>One Love, <BR> <BR>Rootz
Nice rootzilla and does it one of your tracks online ? i want to hear you ? <BR> <BR>Peace. <BR> <BR>KoCha <BR>www.almighty-dub.com
I was working with midi sequenced instruments and <BR>real drums(ddrum4) and guitars(sometimes melodica and real bass).i found it difficult :all machine it needs ,for drumer to "groove"on a tempo indicator. <BR>Today i have to rebuilt a home studio alone(a all analog one) i just need a few mics more to finish it . <BR>No more sequence,sync,synth and stuff like that just friends of me comming with their good sounding instru(real drums,fender rhodes....)playing in overdub and a few basic ideas of the song on my computer. <BR>Today I'm bored with these expend., sequencers, computers... <BR>I just want life!
KoCha, <BR> <BR>I don't have anything online yet, I'm just working on a project, prolly gonna be some 8-9 tracks, inna more roots stylee... I'll let ya know when... <BR> <BR>Aleph, <BR> <BR>Irie vibes, man, good players wit good gear and positive vibration make for a good source to mutate... Bless. <BR> <BR>One Love, <BR> <BR>Rootz
To get these positive vibration i have a small trick:I let play the musician couple of hours <BR>on the song and i record while the musician don't <BR>know it's recording! <BR>I often get a more "relaxed" part ,because even good musicians are sometimes troubled by the red light!(:-)
Rootz, so i must wait for your release ;) Yes you seems to do Rootical vibration. <BR> <BR>Aleph, i have hear this tricks in an other forum and i think it's good tricks if you have your own studio but if you go record with your band you don't have time to do that ;) <BR> <BR>KoCha <BR>www.Almighty-Dub.com
(I realize this is months after you guys had this discussion, but I just read it so...) <BR>I think if someone truely appreciates dub and understands its rich history then they should embrace the modern evolution of this music and see the connections between things like dub(in all forms), experimental electronic music/idm, jungle, d&B/jungle, nu-jazz, abstract hip-hop, noise and even grind/crust punk. Why alienate ourselves and put up more walls between things that essentially stem from the same subculture of revolutionary and artistic roots? Dub has always been about moving foward, pushing boundaries, and dissolving the conventions that keep people from freeing their creative energies. Dub was like Jamaican dadaism when it emerged, leaping out into cerebral realms that may have initially appeared nonsensical to many of the more conservative musicians, producers, and listeners at the time. Then they began to realize that Dub was MODERN music with almost esoteric qualities worth cherishing and supporting. Of course the classic are just that: straight WELL WICKED CLASSICS!! And I even attempt to lay down the more rootsy dub vibe in my productions from time to time. And don't get me wrong, I really dig plenty of artists who can emulate the retro-dub stylee so damn well(e.g. bands like Dry&Heavy, Twilight Circus, nuff respect). But do you think King Tubby would want us to just continue trying to mimic what he and his collegues already mastered, or do you think he would want us to take those golden influences, combine that with influences from a variety of other artistic, musical and political leanings and make music that reflects the era we happen to be in? Yuh know, music from 2003!! Future Dubwise a fi rule, SEEN!! In the now, artists like Pole are about as DUB as it gets ya'll! Soo much dub, with loads of soul! The Tubbs would be not only proud of these kinds of innovations, he would probably be right along side 'em if not leading the way! So give 'em a good hard listen cause that's where dub is today. Plenty of artists--Rhythm and Sound, Monolake, Ben Wa, Dubloner, Acroyear, Polycubist, SystemWide(and all my homies at BSI records!! what's up Ezra!), Alter Echo/Sound Secretion, Kruder and Dorfmeister, Smith and Mighty still rockin', Peace Orch., Theivery Corp., Groove Corp., Little Tempo, Audio Active, etc., etc., etc. Bottom line is, with dub there should be no limits; use real instruments, use synthesizers, use sequencers, use computers, use top-of-the-line gear, use ratty old junk for gear, circuit bend old toys, thrash around in your house banging on the floors, walls, furniture, doors & dishes and record that then cut up the various noises and sequence them into dub riddims, run your mixes out of an old ghetto-blaster into an empty dumpster with a mic inside to rerecord and use as some real "trashy" reverb, i don't know, use whatever's available and combine whatever elements that sound interesting together. Dub is about being resourceful not discrediting it if you don't have a fisher-reverb space X-pander or a 30 yr old tape echo and a studio full of anolog gear on hand. <BR> peace and unity!! <BR>Jacob I, aka Caper1, aka Miosotis, aka Lt. Lunatico from the Helix Hub currently in Ellensburg WA, soon to be back in Mexico for a stint and then set up again in Japan. <BR>ps-this is the best site I've ever visited about dub(props to the interrupter and your music too), I'll surely be in and out as long as it's around!! <BR> <BR>pss--Matt Shuter and anyone else interested in artists similar to pole (with perhaps less if any dub leanings but essential nonetheless) should check out my friends from Japan who work with me from time to time on my dub projects(Bersatu, now Helix Resonator). Their names are Aoki Takamasa(Progressive Form label) and Takagi Masakatsu(DaisyWorld Discs, Cutting Edge, Carpark, etc.) each with their own respective solo projects, however in the past they were the great audio visual team known as Silicom(also on Progressive Form). For more experimental electronic music check out somafm.com out of SanFran and artists like Venetian Snares, Jake Mandell, Ziq, Kinder Atoms, Obelus, Karlheinz Stockhausen(the father), John Cage and the more obvious ones like Autechre, Squarepusher, Aphex Twin, Scanner, Plasticman, Plaid, Boards of Canada, etc...
Hey my name's lp, I'm looking for the one they call helix resonator, we met in BC over a year ago an kicked out some jams and now i'm lokoing to collaborate on some new projects, if you see this give me a shout or if you are reading this and know his email message please forward this to him. <BR>Peaaaaaaaaaace. <BR>-lp original g
I was glad to hear Rhythm & Sound getting a mention. What they are doing has lead to some of the most deep and bewitching music I have heard in years. That bone deep techno sound of Berlin fused with Dub arrangements is jaw-droppingly good. <BR> <BR>Those Basic Channel people are making dub music sound so fresh and modern but still retain everything that makes it such great music in the first place. <BR> <BR>I've started picking up some of the Wackies back catalogue that BC has remastered and reissued. Very good. <BR> <BR>hello to you all <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)">
experimental electronic dub is FANTASTIC. <BR> <BR>if you have any doubts, go and find any record by Deadbeat or Jan Jelinek. true soul music.
talkin about pole's "3" - i still love "uberfahrt" <BR> <BR>and the R'n'S guys - well talkin is pointless in this case <BR> <BR>instead : just do yourself a favour and explore: <BR>www.basicchannel.com <BR> <BR>my personal fav is mr. thorsten profrock with his releases for Chain Reaction/din
btw: pole CD for Mute is horrible ,imho. <BR>well produced ,ok - but nothin more. <BR>Betke goin' commercial or just "artistic progress" ?
I-ses ! <BR>live playin' vs. electronical instrument dem a crucial questshan fi ask. <BR>is it really yuh feel different vibrashan wid' live instrument dem jus' becoz dem a sound live, or is it dat yuh would need nuff wicked sequencer fe get in all a dem modulshan in tune an' timbre. Is clear dat a hard fe imitate a Sax live soun' wid' a sequencer software. <BR>But if yuh don' 'ave live musishan dem fe play yuh songs yuh haffi try to get yuh sequencer to play yuh stuff as "natural" as possible. Dis is what I did in my collecshan "Tek da Riddim !" <BR>Naw dem soun' effect dem will add eventually a whole lot a modulashan dat a compensate the lack of "live playin'" quite well. <BR>Still I would have been lucky fe 'ave a fine band <BR>playin' me music an' I do da mix afterward wid' all a dis digital wicked wondermachine dem like interruptor's ekochamber dem... <BR>In old times I a try fe start a project wid' some musishans, but di best a dem a return a dem african home countries an' so the "Militant Rockers" a dissolve after recording 3 song. <BR>Maybe dis a di reason fi I fi re-start completely digital an' nuts an' mad until I PC start smoking like I waterpipe.....:-) <BR>An still, I think I music soun' a likkle roots. <BR> <BR>So keep on rocking dis 'eavy beat from di heart an' let no bad feeling get over yuh. <BR>Love an' Respect . <BR>Tekkyah. <BR>Mad Musicologist