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you know, guys, really, if no jokin' around... <BR> <BR>I know, allots of blah blah around the globe about 'dub styles'..., and then it goes on from 'mini-elements' into what ever kind of musical production (mostly electronic, especially sample-loop based field of it...from all sorts of break beats through drum'n'bass and all sorts of hybrids)..., another words from a bit of influence into NOTHING from DUB point. <BR>If you just take a technical side of dub production and apply it anywhere you may say you are in dub production. And then: "Why not???"... <BR>well, I think regardless of what ever you, or me, or us thinking about it, or say about it , DUB is DUB, and there is no such a thing as trance-dub, ambient-dub, ....arghhhhh, how'bout blues-dub, dub-metal or polka-dub...., you name it. I can say also that 'dub-reggae' is a nonsense. Dub is Dub. You know it's reggae...doooohhhh., ;) <BR> <BR>I know, this is an old old old topic, which never goes anywhere, he he he <BR> <BR>Also I have nothing against all sorts of musical productions. I like FUSION in general. <BR> <BR> <BR>movin'on, <BR> <BR>respects, <BR> <BR>/Mike Zee
I disagree with Mike Zee, Dub is in the mixin' not the style. Saying that dub has to be reggae would mean that Mad Prof's No Protection is NOT dub, and I totaly disagree with that. This album placed dub on the map, it has selled more copies than the original Protection by UK triphop band Massive Attack. <BR> <BR>Also check out the album "Suzuki in dub" by Tosca for another example. <BR> <BR>Dub is an attitude not a style. <BR> <BR>-g <BR> <BR>P.-S. when I speak of ambiant dub I don't mean a blend of ambiant and dub, I mean dub that is ambiant.
***** <BR>I disagree with Mike Zee, Dub is in the mixin' not the style <BR>***** <BR>well, <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR>when ever I start thinking about 'what's dub today'.., I may often 'disagree with myself', sort of speak., trying to comeout with any sensible conlusion for myself as producer. <BR>I am trying to look at this issue with meaning DUB as established musical GENRE and the whole 'cultural world around it'. <BR>Again, funny thought, : if you take a polka tune and 'dub it out', then let it go, saying: "Hey, guys, all dub-heads, check it out, new dub tune is out, enjoy!!!" ;)..., so what to expect? what reaction from dub-fans, listeners would I get? <BR>Then I may say: "Hey, this dub-polka was created withing deep DUB-attitude".... or what ever I may say..., it's laughable. Or isn't it? <BR>Is it going to be a DUB-track? Or is it going to be a 'crippled polka'? <BR> <BR>Do you like it or not, but DUB is not a joke. It's a well based, well established genre, culture with history and root. Sure it's changes in progress. Sure it is been influenced from vary directions, and it is influencing musical world. <BR>If you seriouse about dub music, you know well what it is. You know that it is not something 'unformed', something abstract. It has pretty much clear and distinct sound, groove, feel, well, yes: STRUCTURE from traditional musical point of view. And this structure is based on REGGAE. <BR>Sure, you can go anyway you wish as producer/musician, and then call your work anything you wish. <BR> <BR>MAD PROFESSOR? I love what he is doing. "No Protection" is a damn-cool album. "Protection" (the original) was a pretty big success, and it a good album itself. MP is great producer, and he knows what he is doing. But then again: 'no protection' was a good seller, but also it did received ALLOT of criticism and notes of disappointment from both sides: from dub-fans and from MassiveAttack fans. <BR>So is it DUB? <BR>To me the word is FUSION. <BR> <BR>this discussion, I think can go forever. I don't mean to change anybody's mind. Just expressing my own current understandin and feel about it. And just from my own personal experience as dub-listener and dub-producer. I've produced all kind of stuff, allots of productions heavilly influenced by dub-way of mixin/producing (i am talking about technical side of it). Often I compose/structure tunes as reggae based, or sort of speak: reggae influenced structure. And as result: here is what I can say: more distinct, more clear reggae structure in the base of it - THE BETTER DUB TRACK i get. Why is that so? <BR>I'd say: don't lie to yourself. ;) <BR> <BR>respects, <BR> <BR>/Mike Zee
Could you explain what you mean by "reggae stucture"? <BR> <BR>I do use the classic dub structure in most of the dubs I do (starts with all the trakcs, everything stops except the drum and the bass, then chords and words are dropped with delay added, etc) If you do your polka dub this way, it will be real clear that it is dub, although really silly. But I've heard (and done) "metal dub" in the past years, with a reggae twist of course. You can heard that track here: <BR> <BR><A HREF="http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/733/733951.html" TARGET="_top">http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/733/733951.html</A> <BR> <BR>I think I must agree with the fact that dub needs reggae elements. Even No Protection has added skanks (done with a synth, but still they are there) with delays applied. The song I'm sending you too has reggae verses and a reggae-ish bridge...One of the ambiant tracks I posted uses dropped piano chords to trigger the delay and has a reggae-type bassline. <BR> <BR>Maybe you could dub polka if you rename it polska ;) <BR> <BR>-g
he he, <BR>cool song <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>well, man, I don't know what to say else here, except to say again what I've said ;) <BR> <BR>you, see, if you take polka recorded on 8 tracks, take only bass and drums and dub-out leads and,let's say vocals, boost bass to the limit, apply effects, delays etc...you'll get a some sort of 'cool polka' tune..., it's not gonna be dub. If you then get guys together (polka band), and say: "OK, let's re-arrange this tune into reggae"... will this do????, hmmmm? I don't know. depends how you can write the arrangement. You can simply re-arrange the polka withing reggae rhythm structure...., but the progression may become the issue here, meaning that your 'reggae polka composition' may sound sort of funny..., however, you can create some sort of pretty cool track out of it later at mixing stage.... <BR>But, the bottom line is, as you see, that all your effort is about 'converting' what ever musical material you have into 'reggae based composition' first. <BR>Just the same thing what your hardcore-metal band does, by actually playing 'reggae parts' within the song, while still keeping their sound, attitude and general approach. Now, if you ask me: "Mike, do you think this song has it's place in 'dub community'?", I would answer: "Yes, maybe, but only as a guest.".... <BR>To me it's like 'bridges between musical genres'... <BR> <BR>hope, I make any sense here, <BR> <BR>regards n'respects, <BR> <BR>/Mike Zee
I think we're getting mixed up in quibbling about meanings of wordz. Everyone knows what reggae is. But lots of people see Dub as different tings <BR>I've gone to "dub" nites to hear all sorts of music, house, techno, jungle, garage <BR>But look for Roots Reggae Dub and you know what you're getting maybe. <BR> Crossover, fusion stuff is cool, reggae has always absorbed the latest sounds and production techniques and songs and reworked them. <BR>More worring is people who want everything to stay in the seventies and produce soundalikes of retro stuff. Reggae Music must move forward and keep reinventing itself or it will die. So come forward with the rubber dub soundz bouncing to a higher level. One love
I agree with people who dont try to fit every piece of music into a "style"....thats not dub!!!he,he...dub is exprimentation and musical expression without boundries, thats the beauty of it..period...if your conservative, thats defenently not dub...I see alot of people wanting the sounds(reverb,even mixing boards(?))the pioneers(respect!!) had,but thats not really any good,from the start dub was about having your OWN uniqe sound...if i want to dub finnish tango, thats what ill do...the other thing that is good about the music form is that you DONT need alot of bullshit expensive recording gear... <BR>big ups to WORDSOUND I POWA!
"""exprimentation and musical expression without boundries""" is a very good attitude for any artist in general... in any form of art. <BR>but the point is: if you 'artistically' make shoes, you don't go out saying: I am making hats. Why? Because you make shoes, that's why ;) <BR>You can be very creative, making shoes, and good for you, but why do you want to bring your shoes to hat-shop? Man, well, actually, people, looking for hats, may actually like your shoes as well, but I don't think people are going to put them on their heads. <BR>It's not about conservativism..., it's about common sense. <BR>well, the bottom line, guys, you can call dub anything you want and what ever you make, just don't be silly, Ya know..;) <BR>btw, I know what I'm blah-blah-ing here, I myself often make shoe-looking hats, sort of speak , he he <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>respects, <BR> <BR>/Mike Zee <BR><A HREF="http://www.audiogalaxy.com/bands/mikezee/dub_lab.htm" TARGET="_top">zee dub lab</A>
rub a dub is the style that followed after the seventies roots reggae. It's bouncier, more danceable, less complex, more suited for dj-style, it was founded by the Roots Radics and Henry 'Junjo' Lawes. Very nice style. It's basically when vocalists began to sing or dj over dub versions/ check out jamaican reggae albums from the early eighties and compare them to those of the seventies and you will know what rub a dub means... <BR>By the way, i know i'm replying to this post more than three years after it was posted but f--k it i'm bored tonight
dub = remix, it's no style... it's just in jamaica a remix used to be called a 'dub' or a 'version'. <BR>In today's Jamaica 'dub' means a special version of a song made especially for a particular sound system, also called a dub plate or special.