DUB DISCUSSION BOARD

just listened to your demo mike. the reverb is rather disappointing. does not sound like a spring to me. <BR>the free dub box plug-in was closer to what i think a spring must sound like. <BR>ok.. the wait for the real spring plug-in is not over yet, maybe one day..

Daniel, as i've said..to me it's 'apple and orange'.... even if orange may sort of look like &#40;sound like <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;">&#41; an apple it will never can come close... <BR>Also to make a real compare analizis you need to send exactly the same sample through real long spring reverb unit , then through this plug in - and hear the difference... <BR> <BR>The plug in is pretty good thou for what it is...allots of good reverbs, and interface is nice and easy to use... <BR> <BR>later, <BR>/M ZEE aka Dr ZEE

i like oranges more, so i'll continue eating real oranges until virtual oranges are as good as real ones..

You need virtual stomach to digest virtual oranges... lol <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> <BR> <BR>/mz

there are physical modelled oranges as well, you should try some.. taste great!!!

hi <BR> <BR>just thought I'd add that the Spring Reverb algorithm from the PSP EasyVerb has now been released as a seperate FREE plugin called PSP SpringVerb. <BR> <BR>the catch is that it's only available on the Computer Music Magazine cover CD: <BR> <BR><A HREF="http://www.computermusic.co.uk" TARGET="_top">http://www.computermusic.co.uk</A> <BR> <BR>it first featured in issue 68, and is there again in the current issue &#40;69&#41;. they may add it to their library, which means that it will be in every future issue, but I have no idea about this. <BR> <BR>CPU usage is also acceptably low for me in FL Studio 4.5 under Windows 98SE. compared to SIR running a spring reverb impulse, it's minute. <BR> <BR>if you want a simple, straight-up Spring Reverb plugin for your digital dubs, this is surely the best yet.

Like mentioned I will return with a test, up <BR>against a RE-201 and Spring-King, I actually <BR>did bye the hole magazine just to get this <BR>plug, It&acute;s sounds nice but it&acute;s far from any <BR>spring-sound, that is my first impression at <BR>least, a little bit disapointing I have had <BR>some better expectation due to their "piano- <BR>verb" that acttually shows what PSP are able <BR>to when it comes to non-linear algoritems <BR> <BR>HM

Going back to Reaktor Sessions - I've got Reaktor Sessions, and as good as it is, the spring reverb emulation isn't much good, it doesn't really get close to the real thing &#40;it is reminiscent of a spring reverb, but I won't be using it&#41;.

thanks for the info, my test is canceled, <BR>it would be wasted time, in short PSP did <BR>not come up with any breaking new plug, as <BR>reaktor did&acute;nt either, everything is as it <BR>used to be, spring-king is nice, but mike <BR>proves also that just getting an tank and <BR>insert to the desk might evt. be just as <BR>good,...... <BR> <BR>HM

Hi all, check out <A HREF="http://www.simulanalog.org/" TARGET="_top">http://www.simulanalog.org/</A>. they have a free PlugIn Pack. The Guitar amp simluations JCM 900 and Rednef Twin offer spring reverb. <BR> <BR>If anybody knows some really&#40;!&#41; good&#40;!!!&#41; VST plugs &#40;Windows&#41; for early refelctions, please let me know. Thanks ! <BR> <BR>Finn

hmmmmm, I have just checked out, the Redneff <BR>got only tremolo, and JCM 900 spring just do <BR>sound like a "distorted-tale" :-&#41; not even <BR>a little "spoing" I would say, <BR> <BR>HM

the amplitube plug in/ <BR>a really interresant plug in unfortunatly not for his "spring verb" emulation &#40;hahaha mutch better buy a real one ,the cheapest would be better than all emu&#41;but this is a relly good amp simulation for guitar,bass&#40;controlling input level for sub furious settings ;&#41; ,organ .......even the a "too clean" snare.. <BR>the reverb ,delay parametric eq can bring an interresant color too <BR>he eats a lot off memory but i think it s the only one i know really usefull for roots dub style

Reverb plugin <BR><A HREF="http://www.knufinke.de/sir/" TARGET="_top">http://www.knufinke.de/sir/</A> <BR> <BR>Roland RE 201 Space Echo Impulses for reverb plugin <BR><A HREF="http://noisevault.com/index.php?page=3& ... d=6&id=133" TARGET="_top">http://noisevault.com/index.php?page=3& ... &id=133</A> <BR> <BR>Ashley. <BR>Free Reggae Dub - <BR><A HREF="http://www.versionist.com/artist.php?artist=ASHLEY" TARGET="_top">http://www.versionist.com/artist.php?artist=ASHLEY</A> <BR><A HREF="Http://uk.geocities.com/edashreeve" TARGET="_top">Http://uk.geocities.com/edashreeve</A>

I recently tried out the "acoustic mirror" a convolution reverb &#40;like SIR&#41; that comes with Sound Forge. It is sold with a library of impulse responses which also contains a small selection of spring reverbs. <BR>It sounds much better than what I expected based on the linearity/nonlinearity considerations made earlyer. <BR> <BR>Here are two examples: <BR> <BR><A HREF="http://www.interruptor.ch/audio/BDnatural1.wav"> bass drum clean</A> <BR><A HREF="http://www.interruptor.ch/audio/springguitamp1.wav"> bass drum treated with impulse response "Spring Guitar Amp 1"</A> <BR><A HREF="http://www.interruptor.ch/audio/oldanalogsynth.wav"> bass drum treated with impulse response "Old Analog Synth"</A> <BR> <BR>Since hearing this I think convolution reverbs can really be helpful for imitating a spring!

These examples work quite well in SIR as they are &#40;you just need to cut out the lower frequencies, although I was getting unusual latency&#41; . <BR>All we need now is some Spacexpander samples.

Greetings <BR> <BR>Well, I know Voxengo Oldskool Verb from <A HREF="http://www.voxengo.com/freevst/" TARGET="_top">http://www.voxengo.com/freevst/</A> it is very simple but its sound differs from other digital reverb plugins <BR> <BR>And there is Revalver from Alien Connections, it is guitar effects synth actually, but has reverb effects

PC users are more lucky to find spring-rev simulations i guess. As mac user, i prefer AMPLITUBE, ALTIVERB, REASON,....but i didn't found a good one yet. <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... rt/sad.gif" ALT=":&#40;">

I sumtimes use the Korg MDE-X reverb unit, its from the Korg Legacy Collection.

Those samples provided sound pretty good for spring simulations, I'll have to try out some of these mentioned plugins. Presently, I'm using a analog NEI Spring Reverb unit as well a pulled spring tray from a Hammond. I'm happy with both, but could probably use a computer plugin for portability at times, even just get a feel of how something sounds with sping reverb. Too bad you couldn't kick your computer to get these springs to rattle a bit, probably not advisable.

my sprin-king got a "kick-field" :-&#41; <BR> <BR>yes very inspirring effect <BR> <BR>HM