Acid 4.0 I've found is the best for dub

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Acid 4.0 I've found is the best for dub

Post by Adrian Anders » Fri Oct 04, 2002 7:37 pm

I don't know about you guys, but I’ve found that Acid 4.0 is by far the best for dub remixing/production. Multi-outs for the mixing deck/live dub FXing, the "chopper" effect for broken breakbeats, and VSTi support for those big virtual analog basslines &#40;Check out steinberg's free VB-1 virtual bass which is great for making those really low dub basses: <BR><A HREF="http://www.steinberg.net/en/ps/products ... d=0">click link here</A>&#41; <BR> <BR>Are there any other dub/downtempo producers who use acid 4, and would like to collaborate? Email me at <A HREF="mailto:Atomic_afro@hotmail.com">Atomic_afro@hotmail.com</A> if interested. <BR> <BR>L8RZ

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Post by Mike Zee » Sat Oct 05, 2002 7:27 am

ACID is a scarry thing. Well, what I mean... kinda hard to explain. <BR>I am just comming from 'old-way' of making dubs, and vision the dub-production process in some sort of conservative way. But it's a bit more about what kind of dub comes out of fingers-on-sliders in real-time without 'undo-option' and what kind of dub comes from 'complete control over digital data' ... you see what I mean?. <BR>But again, back to acid software. I happend to have a special version of screeblast-acid2.0 &#40;came pre-installed with my new vaio-sony general use computer&#41;, and was playing with it just for fun, so I've just droped a Sly&Robbie's cd into the tray, grabed couple of tracks from it, opened in sound-forge &#40;screenblast version -also came free with this computer <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> &#41;, cut out a few segments, saved them as wavs files, then opened acid2.0, drag'n'drop , draw with that pencil a few takes, created few tracks.... the thing does sooooooo much automatically ... and everything goes in bmp/beat sync ... I did not even have to do anything. Then I could just play around with effects .. all in real time.... in a half-an-hour I had like the whole bunch of pretty cool dub-tracks...all sorts of variation.... and yeah,,,then just save some best stuff &#40;if I wish&#41;. Messed up? no problem -- undo. grrrrrrrrrrrrr, the whole thing is like a toy-joke. No mess, no dust, no cables, no power supply... just a nice desk and flat screen, finger on the mouse. <BR>Well, this is so much I can say. <BR>So I've got some sort of double feellings about it. <BR>Then again, I guess, the bottom line is - depends on what you do with it. <BR> <BR>/respects <BR> <BR>/Mike Zee <BR><A HREF="http://www.mp3.com/mikezee" TARGET="_top">ZDL-MZE</A>

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Acid 4.0 I've found is the best for dub

Post by KoCha » Sat Oct 05, 2002 11:52 am

Totally according with mike zee... and Acid is just for loop so you need another software to make your loop... so generally you can all do the tracks on the other software. <BR> <BR>With external recorder-mixer... the mix feature of the sofware is forgot... <BR> <BR><A HREF="http://www.kocha.fr.st" TARGET="_top">KoCha</A>
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Post by interruptor » Sat Oct 05, 2002 4:08 pm

I was thinking about getting acid 4.0 when they had the introductory offer for 99$. After all I didn't buy it because for me creating the drum tracks and melodies myself is something I don't want to give out of my hands. As far as I understood what acid is good for is creating music from allready existing loops &#40;most outstanding feature: adapting bpm and pitch of a loop on the fly&#41;. Since i want to create my tunes myself from scratch &#40;and not using some "construction kits" from sample CDs&#41; I will of course create my loops so that they perfectly fit together from the beginning. So what is the use of getting acid then? <BR>Adrian: What type of loops do you use in your dubs and where do you get them from?

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Post by Mike Zee » Sat Oct 05, 2002 5:55 pm

Hi, guys, KoCha and Daniel.... <BR>just a note on a subject of 'loops' in acid. <BR>Well, here's the thing. I don't want you to sort of put ACID-pro down because of the idea that it is for loop-based production only. <BR>OK, let me explain. <BR>First of all, let me put as default "condition" - lets say you have a pretty good computer to begin with: fast processor, load of RAM and large hard-disc, so you don'n need to worry about space while working on a project. <BR>Then, you can simply look at ACID as a multi-track software-based studio with built-in mixer, real-time effects &#40;DSP&#41;. You can turn "off" all the loop/snap to bmp functions and move freelly audio-takes around and produces what ever mixes you may have in your mind. And in addition to that, you also have all the tricks you can do with real time tempo/pitch ... which actually does pretty good job. <BR>So you can go very sophisticated way with ACID. <BR>But if you wish to make a remix of any existing track &#40;or recording of some multi-track session&#41; , then you really get it done sooooooooooo easy in acid. This is why I've said it's a "scarry" thing, meaning, that making remixes nowdays is no-longer a some sort of "advanced production". I know you may disagree with me. I mean, I've heard many times producers saying, that it is easy only to make "bad!" re-mixes, but to make a good remix is still a hard work with what ever software you may have. <BR>And well, All I can say is - NOP - not true at all. You can make pretty good remixes just by foolling around with acid, even having no/non experience in music production at all &#40;well you will not be always so lucky with the result, as you could be if you actually got into it more serious, of course&#41;. BUT!!!! if you have experience, and if you take music production seriously and especially if you have experience with computer-based audio-editing and general computer-software knoweldge - then , man, give me a break - it is hard for you??? It's not just easy , man, it's like sort of depressing - how easy it is. It is so boring - how easy it is. I can add even more to that - you may feel like stoping producing remixes completely - because it's not exiting type of work anymore. <BR>You know, for producer, there's something what I call 'stimulating energy', it's in the area of creative part of the brain <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;">... So, nowdays, if somebody ask me to make a remix for him/her of some of their track - all I can say - get yourself a computer, acid and do it yourself. It's a piece of cake and actually you may have a real fun and good time with it and you can make just the way YOU'll love it and be happy as a rabit in the sunny green-grass field <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> heh heh heh. But I would be damn bored to do this - no exitement at all. <BR>&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42; <BR>Now, Daniel, this true, that if you actually produce the track &#40;I mean produce the original track with synth/samples/real instruments/vocals recording etc...., then it's another story. <BR>ACID is not really designed for this. <BR>But, You see, if you look at dub-production as it is REMIXING-work, and you produce dubs from existing recordings, then this is what all my blah-blah is about. This is why I am soooo skeptical about computer-based dub-productins. I am not really like 100% against it and again, as I've said, it depends on what do you do with software, and you sure can create real pice of art with what you've got ... generally speaking. <BR>I don't really have a good argument here, except what I've said already many times ..heh heh I see/vision dub-producer as an artist/sort of musician-player , but the instruments are sliders and knobs. Now, when you deal with 'non-pre-programed-10000-undo&#40;s&#41; options' software, but with real-time mixing/dubbibg/recording session, you are being sort of forced to LISTEN better, to think more clear, to follow the flaw of the ridm, to hear your heart and your soul, to follow your natural instincts etc etc etc ... and the result is more as a PIECE OF ART &#40;performance&#41;and more personal, more unique and has some specific "signatures of the producer", because it came straight from his/her hands, which are connected to the deeper layers of his/her existence ... <BR>without it, the art of dub is really a boring scenne in my mind. <BR>well, guys, I guess I'm repeting myself already many times... you've got the point. <BR>&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42; <BR>arhhh, on a tech side: a little point. <BR>KoCha, man, making/creating loops for acid it a joke-like-easy piece of cake. You can have that SoundForgeXP little cheap version of SoundForge editor... you draw the selection, hit play-loop, while it playing ...zoom in, move the selection's start/end ...it keep playing... adjust it while it keeps playing, ...now you hear and SEE! a nice wave-form of your loop which is looping perfectly. Hit stop. Press Ctr&#43;C &#40;copy&#41;. Menu-New File. Hit Ctrl&#43;V - paste. Menu-Save as: myDubLoop1.wav ... - done. Do it a few times ...you've a loops pack for your "project". Open ACID, drag'n'drop your loops into ..and start playing around. And again everything will be playing right-away.... nothing more to do. All bmp&#40;s&#41; will be automatically calculated from your .wav files beat "structure", this software can make-up bmp out of it, so if your .wav&#40;s&#41; are from the same original track ... you are all set... and you will be moving loops, takes &#40;what ever you did cut out of the original track&#40;s&#41;&#41; on you screen snaped to the bmp &#40;click a button - 'no snap', and you can move takes freely, click 'snap' and you are locked in again... grrrrrrrrrrrrr, I really mean it's a joke like easy thing. <BR>Also add to this, that the final "product" of you "production" can be simply saved &#40;or what it is being called "rendered"&#41; as a mix-file in what evr audio-format you wish ...mp3, wav - what ever to put it on the CD straight out of your computer. So if you get yourself a new computer nowdays for about $1000 or soo ... you've got all these toys in there... as a generic user package, audio-software, CD-Burner etc... .. heh heh <BR> <BR>ok, guys, <BR>nice talking to You again, <BR>will'be around... <BR> <BR>respects, <BR>/Mike Zee

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Post by KoCha » Sun Oct 06, 2002 10:28 am

Yes I mike! LIVE Mix is Dub! When you mix in live your brain follow the vibes and you go deeper in the dub, all that is improved in live, it's more than an instrument it's THE instrument ;-&#41; <BR> <BR>Oh! Acid very easy i see! but you can't get the flow that a live dub mix give... <BR> <BR>How can you create your loop with SoundForge ? it's not just for editing loop ? <BR> <BR>Jah Bless the Almighty Dub. <BR> <BR><A HREF="http://www.kocha.fr.st" TARGET="_top">KoCha</A>
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Post by Mike Zee » Sun Oct 06, 2002 6:51 pm

KoCha, <BR>by "creating loops" I always mean - editing, meaning taking a segment of existing recording and marking loop in - loop-out points. This is it. <BR>People sometimes think of "creating loops" as a process of playing some synth, or sequencing/programing their synthezisers, or using software synth options etc.... this part is a "sound design stage" in my mind. <BR>With today's more sophisticated digital audio-editing programs editing/creating loops is pretty much what ever you can get your hands on in your audio-editing software. <BR>So here's the primitive example. <BR>Open The Original Recording in SoundForge, and select a section, then play loop while adjusting in-out points: <BR><IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... 93/347.jpg" ALT="loop1"> <BR>Then Hit Ctrl&#43;C &#40;copy the selection&#41; <BR>Start New File and Paste &#40;Ctrl&#43;V&#41; <BR>Save File As what ever loop-1.wav: <BR><IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... 93/348.jpg" ALT="loop2"> <BR>Then You do it what ever many times again to make more and more vary selections, cuts, loops, just some short hits like snare-shots for example, you can select and cut out some skanks, or vocal selectins...anything you wish, copy/paste as new file, save them all in some folder on your computer. <BR>Then you start ACID2.0-or what ever version you get. There you have option to simply drag-and-drop lopps/cuts selection from your folder into ACID-project window, it will create a new track in the project, if you have "snap enabled" you get alll your stuff already in sync with BMP, so if you just even randomly drug-and-drop a bunch pf loops and then draw them with the "pencil"-tool where ever... you still get some pretty organized "remix". And then you can play and add effects, experiment without even knowing what the hell you are doing and get some fun remixes out of it. <BR>If you have some idea about what your are doing, then you can get anything you wish.... it's that primitive and that simple. <BR>Here's a screen shot I've just made for this post. <BR>It takes 2 mins to do this stuff, grrrrrrrrrrr: <BR><IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... 93/349.jpg" ALT="loop3"> <BR> <BR>&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42; <BR>well, <BR>guys, again, I am not really blah-blahing against software-dubs, it's a pointless discussion, as I may say. <BR>Btw, the feelings I am expressing here was discussed and expressed in many other musical genres as well, I've heard allots of skepticism from rok-music listeners/fans, saying how they get tired of so called "over-produced" releases from pretty good rock bands. It's because of producers have a such a power and complete control over recording, so everything what they do is just way too perfect... there's no mess, no mistakes, no bad notes, no bad takes.... it's just too GOOD in a sense that it is getting too boring, to pure.... Listener need some 'flavor', some 'dirt', some 'mess' to enjoy the performance. <BR>When it's too perfect, to pre-calculated - it just does not feel right.... <BR>&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42; <BR>later, guys, <BR> <BR>best regards, <BR>n' respects <BR> <BR>/Mike Zee

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Post by Mike Zee » Wed Oct 09, 2002 4:30 am

you, know, what, guys, <BR>some latest thoughts and feelings on this. <BR>well, I was playing around for the last day with ACID. well, was trying to look at it a little bit more serious, like from the point of view: To Try to see any real PROs of this program. <BR> <BR>My conclusion at the moment is sort of spit... or I am not really sure. So take it just as my personal "view", I can't really be sure... <BR>Here's what I think. <BR>You CAN not really make GOOD stuff with ACID only &#40;I mean if ACID is all you've got and use&#41;. Even in remixing, I mean, if you do not make your own music, but just remixing already existing songs/tracks - still , you need more tools. <BR>However you can make pretty OKey stuff, on somewhat novice level, well, maybe something for general use, like for background-playback, for some commercials, ...I mean stuff which does not really stands out as Original Production. <BR>What is ACID the best for, howerever, in pro-studio, &#40;I'd say&#41; - is: to get some scetches for your production &#40;especially if you make electronic music, ar anything which relates to loop based type of music. It is excellent for getting some randome creative <FONT COLOR="119911">ideas</FONT> for Remix-Projects. BUT, to actually produce Hi-Quality remix track &#40;as final product&#41; you Must have other&#40;and /or better&#41; tools. And it all depends on what ever your way of production is. You sure need MUCH better DSP-effects - that's one thing &#40;and I mean not only quality, but <FONT COLOR="ff0000">Control!</FONT> over it... as always - dedicated effect processor with combination of analog mixer/eq/compression - is- the way... as I know, anyway&#41;. You, see, by saying "control over processing" I mean that it is absolutely must to be able to chain effects like delay, echo, chorus, reverb with: EQ &#40;flexable EQ!&#41;, compression &#40;you never know when you need it&#41; and instant access to send-return in real time when ever you feel like you do one or the other one way or the other. Also Pre-Post switch !!!! - man, so many guys overlook this thing in production process. If I don't have this minimum, these things being available at each of the track in my mix project at any time &#40;just reach with your hand&#41; - I feel pretty much HANDLESS. Some options here and some there - is not enough. Like for example, The fact that you can "record your slider move" , or you can "draw evelope" and such - is absolutely nothing if you do not have that minimum chain, which I am talking here about. It's like you have automatic-toy, which makes you feel good, fun to play with, but you not really mixing ...you just playing with mixing. I really mean it, guys... <BR> <BR>Then you really need much better digital audio-editing tools. Well, you can use Sound-Forge for editing of the audio-takes/loops... but it has limitations, not really limitations, but when working on multi-track production, you need all the editing toold right there - ala- select and edit. BTW, this is why I use CakeWalk-Pro-Audio actually more as digital audio-editing tool, when working on multi-track recording, then doing all that in SoundForge. Well, there's Vegas-Pro, ...but, you see... this is beyond the point, as I've said - you need more than what ACID gives you. <BR>And finally, if you are serious about your final product, then you need some sort of mastering stage tools. Well, again, SoundForge has some processing power to do this, BUT watch it, if you use SoundForge as Mastering-House ..heh heh, you may really do more damage to your tracks that good..., just be careful. <BR> <BR>again, overall, it's a great software, but I DO NOT see it as a all-in-one production platform at all, and well, I am not even talking about DUB here.... just about some general music/remixing production. For good dubs... I don't know....grrrrrrrrrr, maybe I just completely miss something... maybe I just expect too much from a software, and if it can't do what I can do my way with analog mixer ... then to me it's NO-good ..heh heh ;&#41;, or maybe I just don't know how to.... that's possible too... <BR> <BR>all'right, <BR> <BR>later, <BR>/respects <BR> <BR>/Mike Zee

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Post by munky lee » Sun Oct 13, 2002 1:22 pm

hi! <BR>ACID 4 is too WICKED!!!!!!!!!!! <BR> <BR>no kocha, acid is excellent for dub music. I use it from the 1.0 version. <BR> and now, the 4.0 version is absolutely incredible!!! <BR> <BR>yes you can do good tunes with acid and only acid. <BR> <BR>I produced my first 12" only with acid 1.0 and nothing else. <BR>check my old tunes : <BR>-improve my dub <BR>-l'allergie au chat dub <BR>-beat for the king <BR>-marie and lisa dub good <BR> <BR>hear or download at : <BR><A HREF="http://www.mp3.com/munkylee" TARGET="_top">http://www.mp3.com/munkylee</A> <BR> <BR>now, with the 4.0 version, you have midi tracks, vsti instruments, you can chain plug-ins... yeah!!!

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Post by KoCha » Sun Oct 13, 2002 4:50 pm

So ok... Acid have a lot of possiblity that i didnt know befor!! <BR> <BR>Beat for the king, my favorite from you munky :-&#41; good tunes. <BR> <BR>Acid is so a good software, but it the same with all software... no inspiration and it's just plate remix... so i think you must work lot for use any software &#40;acid or other&#41; to go do music. <BR> <BR>Respect online dubsters, <BR><A HREF="http://www.kocha.fr.st" TARGET="_top">KoCha</A>
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Post by Mike Zee » Mon Oct 14, 2002 1:04 am

<FONT COLOR="ff0000">...I produced my first 12" only with acid 1.0 and nothing else</FONT> <BR>..hmmm, really? I wish to know at least some details about how you did it. Where the "music/recordings" actually came from. Did you play/record anything? If you did, you must of have some 'equipment or other tools/computer hardware or what ever on imput etc...'. If not, then what?, did you take some tracks from CDs... or sample-CDs...or what ? Or are this all from some pre-recorded tracks/samples etc... <BR>acid 1.0 and NOTHING else!???? kinda stretchy statement. <BR>then, ok, let's say it is as you say, then what. Did you just render your acid-project into wav file, then used CD-R to burn it on CD as audio-CD &#40;or CD-Rom&#41; and then gave it to somebody to do some extra work to put it on 12", any mastering postproduction work? Who did it? Any other "tools" in addition to acid 1.0 were used? or what? <BR> <BR>my point is: between <FONT COLOR="ff0000">nothing</FONT> and <FONT COLOR="119911">final product - dub-record</FONT> &#40;on CD, cassette or plastic&#41; - it can not be just acid software... just not possible ... <BR> <BR>respects, <BR>/Mike Zee

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Post by munky lee » Thu Oct 17, 2002 9:34 pm

yeah, of course mike. <BR>we were talking about the "software" part of the work. <BR>I played bass and guitar. they were recorded trough my mackie desk, then trough plug-ins in acid like amp similators etc... <BR> <BR>when I say I used nothing but acid, I meant : <BR>- all real instruments were recorded directly in acid <BR>- beats were built direct in acid. 1 track for 1 sample &#40;hh, kick, snare etc...&#41; <BR>- dub mix and final mix only with acid &#40;with fx plug-ins&#41; <BR> <BR>then, the song is exported in .wav format. <BR> <BR>the only thing I forgot is the mastering step. <BR>I did it myself on my computer&#40;not in a studio&#41; with the software T-Racks &#40;incredible software by the way...&#41; <BR> <BR>then, .wav export again, cd-r burn, and let's go to the press. <BR> <BR> <BR>ok, I realise I was not really clear. <BR>I was talking about the "construction" of the songs. <BR> <BR>for other songs, I worked with Reason by propellerheads, and I can say again that I used nothing but Reason. and T-racks for mastering. <BR> <BR>hey mike, I love your winamp skin with tha tape machine!!! wicked!!! <BR>all my mates asked me where I found it!!! good job. <BR> <BR>respects, <BR>mat

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Acid 4.0 I've found is the best for dub

Post by Mike Zee » Fri Oct 18, 2002 2:45 am

I see, this all makes perfect sense, man... <BR>Generally speaking you were using ACID as a form of digital multi-track recording/mixing platform. <BR>Your dubs sounds pretty much like they are based on playing REAL-instruments &#40;well for at least most of it&#41; with combinations of other elements, it's recornizable. Great work , btw... this is why I hardly could "swallow" the statement, that it's a "pure acid project"...well, you know what I mean... <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> <BR>Now, you see... I was playing around with very first ACID release back couple years ago &#40;or few years now..?? <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;">&#41;, and it was kind of interesting software, but I never took it seriousely..., also because of back then the processing/ram power of computers were not as it is now &#40;I still use my old computer systems for audio-productions btw...well, simply because I don't need much for the way I use computers , mostly for midi-control/sequencing and some multi-track-recording, and sample/editing, CD-Burning/Mastering ..nothing like real-time processing&#41;. <BR>And, man, if to compare with other big apps for audio-production, I still think it would be making more sense to spend money, energy/time to learn and explore some other software, than ACID. Choose from Logic, CakeWalkProAudio &#40;now Sonar&#41; or go for ProTools. <BR>Well, it's true, software is software, and you get best result out of what software YOU are GOOD at and not what IS the 'bast' software. For example, I am CakeWalk user since their first ProAudio Version. And what I can do in ACID - it gives me a some sort of good fast tool to play around with stuff, to get some ideas about how you can re-arrange takes/loops etc..., well if it is re-mix project for example. But at the end, when/if I get to the point of actually producing something seriously, I'll do it in CPA with much better flexability and better result than what I could make in ACID, even on my 16RAM/Pentioum120 computer <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;">. Well, it maybe thou, also because I know Cakewalk software soo well, so I know prety much every trick about how to get the desired result there, instead of working in the style ala: Move the Slider- Try-And-See-What's gonna happen..." heh heh, you know at some point this isn't working anymore, you like stop getting exited about "discovering things in software", you don't say anymore things like: "WOW, look what I can do with this button...", you know what I mean. At some point you need to have all the tools you need right there and know which tool does what - 100%... <BR> <BR>Btw, I've heard many good reviews about t-racks, never had it thou myself. All I know, that digital/software mastering is a VERY tricky and sort of dangerous ground. After somewhat time trying to get best result, I've come to conclusion, that it is REALLY important to get your project as much as you can closer to the master-result before mastering stage, if all your options at the end are - using some software-run-through &#40;or say: re-write the data... grrrrrrrrr&#41;. <BR>Good thing to do to take a some time break between recording/mixing and mastering session &#40;not listening to this project for sometime&#41;, so you get to mastering with sort of "fresh ear". This will sure at least prevent you from deadly damaging your production during mastering processing <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> <BR>&#42;&#42; <BR>okey, man, <BR>also, thx for commenting on that winamp-skin thing. Yeah, this machine maybe somewhat heavy as software/player and somewhat 'ugly' ;&#41;, but it is a sort of unique-one for dub-heads, as for today heh heh, most of skins for winamp-3, which are good - look like some sort of what-ever-device. I like "real" things. <BR>Also just in case, if you are using actually this reel-to-reel skin, make sure you have The Latest version of it. I've made important updates the last time, most importantly: the reels now moving smoothly, no-jumping up'n'down. So if your reels are jumping, then you have older version - get new one <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;">, it's at winamp.com - in retro-section: <BR><A HREF="http://www.winamp.com/skins/detail.jhtm ... tId=122328" TARGET="_blank">ZDL-6TrackR-To-R &#40;original version for W-XP/2000 takes allot of CPU&#41;</A> <BR><A HREF="http://www.winamp.com/skins/detail.jhtm ... tId=122377" TARGET="_blank">ZDL-ANALOG HOME STUDIO &#40;R-To-R-Cassette Combo for W-98/ME/XP/2000&#41;</A>. <BR>or here: at <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/music2/mikezee/skins.htm" TARGET="_blank">ZDL skins</A> , if this site is available at the moment, it's out sometimes... <BR> <BR>okey, <BR>/later, <BR>respects, <BR>/Mike Zee <BR>ZDL

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Acid 4.0 I've found is the best for dub

Post by Looter » Thu Nov 07, 2002 8:57 pm

Okay guys, just thought I'd go over my technique for using Acid and see if anyone has any helpful input. I'm still using Acid ver 2.0, I am going to check out the new version eventually to see what improvements have been made but I havent yet. I am just mixing and matching different beats and loops &#40;in mono&#41; and applying EQ and effects sparingly. Then, when I have a basic rhythm track all laid out I print it to four track tape for the actual dubmixing. My computer has a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz soundcard with multiple outs. I use y-cables that go from 1/8" to RCAs to get the tracks into my four track. In Acid I select the proper output, pan left or right and then its straight into the program inputs on my mixer. Once I have the beats on tape, I can bounce, EQ, compress, overdub live insturments, etc. <BR> <BR>Ok thats it, just my two cents.

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Acid 4.0 I've found is the best for dub

Post by Mike Zee » Fri Nov 08, 2002 12:14 am

Looter, sounds pretty dubious way of workin' ...not appropriate from point of view of what acid was designed for... heh heh heh. <BR><FONT COLOR="ff0000">print it to four track tape</FONT> - <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> <BR>I love this 'expression' ...!!! <BR>Inappropriate use of sound-card as well, man, heh heh... <BR>if I understand correct you are using speakers-outputs as a sort of "multi-track" outputs???? <BR>Well, good thinking.... <BR>I don't know what to say...generally, you may think of getting better sound-card, with real multi-out, they are gettin'cheaper, and the whole bunch of brands to select from..... <BR>If you use acid just for laying out takes/sounds/loops etc into track, as you saying... then I don't know if you really need to get newer acid, but there're bunch of other stuff in 4.0 you may use in the process... , also will depend of your computer system &#40;processor/ram&#41; ... so, well, I don't know...try it. <BR> <BR>ok, later, <BR> <BR>respects, guys, <BR>/M Zee

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Acid 4.0 I've found is the best for dub

Post by Mbazzy » Thu Nov 28, 2002 11:10 am

If you want to get away from AcidPro as i did because it tends to make "too linear" music and isn't suited for Live performing , you have to check out Ableton Live - the first Live audio sequencer ... I ditched AcidPro 3.0 in a wink ... e'thing &#40;well almost&#41; you can do in Acid you can do in Live and much better .... even the esteemed dub-techniques .... ;-&#41;

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Acid 4.0 I've found is the best for dub

Post by G » Sat Nov 29, 2003 9:55 pm

Brothers, <BR> <BR>Cutting and pasting sound with a computer, applying effetcs and adding "dub" and the end of the track name does not make dub. <BR> <BR>Sincerly, <BR> <BR>Guillaume aka Dechamplain

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Acid 4.0 I've found is the best for dub

Post by Mike Zee » Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:13 pm

G, <BR><FONT COLOR="ff0000">Cutting and pasting sound with a computer, applying effetcs and adding "dub" and the end of the track name does not make dub.</FONT> <BR>this is TRUE! <BR>however, <BR><FONT COLOR="119911">Cutting and pasting sound with a computer, applying effetcs and adding "dub" at the end of the track's title</FONT> - all this can be as parts/&#40;components&#41; within process of <FONT COLOR="ff0000">making dub</FONT> <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> - also TRUE! <BR> <BR>/respects, <BR>/Mike Zee aka Dr. ZEE

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Acid 4.0 I've found is the best for dub

Post by HM » Sun Nov 30, 2003 9:11 am

"cutting & pasting",.. :-&#41; ,... Loops,... etc. <BR> <BR>I found that using loops restrict my impression <BR>heavily becourse the loops dominate and form my <BR>music and take control to much,.. I will always <BR>miss certain variations of the loop,. so I have <BR>to stick with what I got,.. I understand people <BR>with no musical skills whant to "make music" or <BR>at least do the art of mixing, &#40;dub is mixing- <BR>based art f.eks&#41;, but then again something suck <BR>with these loops stills, besides questioning te <BR>hole methode/concept I also like to stress that <BR>that loops often lack the oportunity to isolate <BR>a certain instument for processing, only field <BR>with decent possibilityes is top drum-libraryes <BR>with "construckion-kits", &#40;mixtended-drums etc&#41; <BR>But to take control would still force you to <BR>pass the loop-level and do some additional pro- <BR>gramming with the one-shots. <BR> <BR>Dubbing the mutitracks from a real good band <BR>shows out the best results in my opinion, no <BR>matter if Scientists dubs Culture or some old <BR>Black Uhuru or Burning Spear material is dub-remixed, &#40;Living Dub volume II etc&#41;, becourse <BR>the SOURCE-MATERIAL is heavy art even before <BR>you light op the desk :-&#41; ,... and not just a <BR>"put-together" fragmential soup,. expression <BR>is homogen from day one, interaction between <BR>playears keept, the job for the dub-engineer <BR>comes now to feel the spiritual nerve in this certain number and boost it up, a bit like a <BR>spitting-image mask, &#40;blair etc&#41;, character <BR>boosted, all recognise the man,... :-&#41; <BR> <BR>Just the Dub-Ingineer boost the BEAUTY of the <BR>number, with big respect and sometimes even <BR>co-operation from the ones who created it <BR> <BR>------------ O -------------- <BR> <BR>To be honnest I like modern/computer dub also <BR>Programmed drums and works of the samplers and <BR>sequenzers can be very nice but fits better <BR>the Ragga or other modern stylee, like found <BR>on certain Shaba-Ranks Dubbed up albums like <BR>the legendary 1991 "Mr. Maximum" album with <BR>Ragga Club Licks such as the Fancyness-mix <BR>being a 8-10 min long REAL heavy modern dub <BR>mix with extremely heavy drumprogramming,... <BR> <BR>Again what make this tune stand the distance <BR>is the homogenity, it&acute;s not "put together" <BR>but programmed from Level-Zero and up, very <BR>very skill-full and passionated,.... <BR> <BR>Computerbased dub at best is to be considered <BR>pre-made "dub-source-material", then comes the <BR>procces of mixing, new possibilyes such as add <BR>complete vocal on top of the dub apears and is <BR>sometimes very tastefull, keeping in mind the <BR>golden rule that a good tune always remains a <BR>good SONG as well ;-&#41; <BR> <BR>HM

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Acid 4.0 I've found is the best for dub

Post by Weaver » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:06 pm

Well, i havent read anything, but there's something you all missed. <BR>Yes, you cannot work with ACID alone, coz it's sequencing ability's are ...shitty? ... his midi sequencing has nothing is it, BUT!!! <BR>ACID, is the best program for loop handeling, and has the BEST alogarithm for time-strech of loops and beatmapped full songs. the best. <BR> <BR>in version 4.0D there are rewire abilitys so you can use with together with reason &#40;which is a much better sequencer, althou i use cubase&#41; and other rewire programs &#40;such as abelton live or REbirth&#41;, and soon there is a VST2REWIRE program coming from www.fxpansion.com, so u'll be able to connect any VST to ACID &#40;his own VST abilities are not good as well. it works better with directX effects and not VST stuff&#41;. <BR> <BR>I wouldn't sugest using acid alone. no sequencing abilities, only as loop-programmer...and no other program does it better then acid.

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