MAM VSR-3 spring reverb

HM · Post by HM » Tue Jun 24, 2003 8:48 pm

MAM did a spring reverb in a 1 unit 19" (black) They where sold until early last year in my local music-store, i missed the last sale-out, could someone comment on this ? (I monitor for seccond-hand deals but don´t realy know it´s nature) HM

Post by **interruptor** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 5:59 pm

<IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... 03/522.jpg" ALT="mam vsr-3"> a friend of mine used a MAM VSR-3 for his live sets and i recognized it as a spring reverb while listening to his show without knowing it.. so it seems to have a pretty springy sound! But i can't tell you anything about how good it would be for studio projects.. MAM has a website but there is no info about the VSR-3 anymore: <A HREF="http://www.mam-germany.de/">http://www. ... any.de/</A>

HM · Post by HM » Wed Jun 25, 2003 6:06 pm

Thanks, I will bye if i come across a cheap one, sale again if it is a disaster :-) , I did hear that the thing is very quiet and free from the usual back-ground noise, and that possetive in my wiev as long as it´s still the real thing HM

Post by **interruptor** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 6:09 pm

please tell us whether you like it once you tried it out..

HM · Post by HM » Wed Jun 25, 2003 7:09 pm

Yes I will in case, I vaguely seems to remember Audioforge mention the tank as being "large" and that short tanks being preferably to dub but I personally assume that one of each type would be nice :-) likely the spring-king thing has short tanks and these two might be a good pair for all-round use,.... A friend got an old defective TC amp also with a VERY long tank, I consider bye, but am afraid not to finish the project, in lack of time HM

Post by **interruptor** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 9:48 am

i tried out large and short tanks and prefer the large ones. (like for example the one used with the fisher spacexpander)

audioforge · Post by **audioforge** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 10:28 pm

hi henrick and daniel. like all dubbers here i m looking for the spring reverb kick and snare. i have 2 spring reverbs one Soundworkshop 242C and one in my korg se300.(i had a boss rx100 i bought new in 1980 or so (btw mine was labeled roland and not boss) but a guy who took it for 3 days never bring it back and it was 8 years now.grrr. none of my reverb sound like i want. i try cheap guitar amps with springs reverb without succes too. i do not try to damp one of the spring with a peace of coton or so cos i m lazy.when i was saying short spring that s because only the first "artifact" boing is interesting me and long spring means long reverb. i want the boing attack with the most high level possible so i need to cranck up the reverb but so i have too much "pure" reverb after the boing.i ve tried compressor gate but can t cut the tail reverb as i want. Daniel i heard your fisher sample. i ve quite the same result(perhaps with more reverb tail) with my spring reverbs but what i want is : the boing higher and the reverb lower. any idea? PS : what would you think of trying to do spring reverb impulses data base fisher space echo korg se300 soundworkshop and so on with the reverb fanatics of this community board? have a nice day audioforge

HM · Post by HM » Sat Jun 28, 2003 3:39 am

OT: Hi AF ,... just got a MX-8000 also :-) I think i know the special sound you are after, its precent also on certain 50´s jazz recordings, very explosive attack on snare drum and rim-shots, I am after this sound also and I am conviced that it is the combo of tube-mic / early springs plate perhaps but unlikely, studio one, sound-dimension, the micing was VERY simple remember, often just ONE mic, took hours to place it HM

HM · Post by HM » Sat Jun 28, 2003 2:35 pm

About controlling the "tale" you could work out the METHODE by software, record the dry source and the uncontrolled tale side by side, now start proccesing the tale, you could load as samples in halion or some other sampler, the two samples STACKED, you would now have total controll, dry is to remain dry while the tale is routed through the filter-section, while using the samplers envelope, (VCA), you can set a envelope related to trigger-time, (drum.hit), in oposition to the hardware effect that relates to the absolute value being present at any given time, the problem with hardware gate used as envelope might in this case be that the the sound build up even further AFTER the hit, so the gate will not work in short scale,...... just an idea :-) Like said above to get the real old- school flavour, I guess tubes or tube- simulation is a must also,.. remember tube equipment often performs a slight compression also, they are gradually feeded up, just like an analog tape, HM

Post by **interruptor** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 4:52 pm

starting a collection of spring reverb impulse responses would be nice indeed. by editing the impulse response one could also very effectively shorten the tail without affecting the boing. also it would be easy to reduce the typical noise in the impulse response with a noise reduction plug-in! i thought about starting such a collection allready but didn't do it so far because recording these responses would cause a lot of work. also to use the responses in real-time in a reverb plug-in while dub-mixing you need a lot of processor power. i think there is more than one standard for the impulse responses so we would also have to find out which to settle for..

audioforge · Post by **audioforge** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:00 am

i was in the same idea and didn t do it it cos it s a long time work.i was thinking use sound forge acoustic mirror and send the test tone thru the reverb with different setting then use them in SIR free vst plugin. i was also thinking send for exemple a kick thru the reverb then inverrt the phase of the dry kick sound and paste it on the recording reverb sound so the kick sound disapear and only the the reverb boing and color stay on the file but it s only theory .i m not sure at all it will work. so maybe one day... i will try it and keep the forum in touch if succes. audioforge

Post by **interruptor** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:42 am

i also use sound forge and the accoustic mirror. i noticed, that the test tones used for acoustic mirror are sine wave sweeps. i think other tools use a click (an impulse) as test signal. that's actually were the term "impulse response" comes from..

HM · Post by HM » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:10 pm

As long as we are speaking about programmed drums,.. I se no reason a VCA should not do the job with the detailed envelope-settings of todays soft-samplers, why should one use maybe 10 times more time to pich up pulse- responses,.... (in case this works at all). Sorry if I missed something ;-) HM

Post by **interruptor** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:51 pm

HM: if i understand you correctly you suppose to record one kick+spring sample and then trigger it together with the original kick sound using a sampler. you have total control over the tale via the VCA that's true but you are limiting yourself to one sample (or few samples). in fact i have heard different productions where this aproach was taken (G-Corp's "Dubplates from the Elephant house" or the new "Manasseh meets The Equalizer" album) the impulse responses could be applied to any instrument in your mix, like a real hardware effect unit. so this would be more flexible.

HM · Post by HM » Fri Jul 04, 2003 10:35 am

Yes you understand me correct, I am glad to hear others used this, then my idea was not crazy :-) This response thing is new to me: <A HREF="http://forum.cubase.net/forum/Forum4/HTML/010412.html" TARGET="_top">http://forum.cubase.net/forum/Forum4/HT ... 12.html</A> Seems smart, but might be complicated, likely you have to load one algoritm at a time, the VCA methode allows for all parameters to be easy changed and stored, or even automatised on the fly,..... Anyway is SIR able to make a pro emulation ? (and "emulation" it will always be) Henrik

Post by **interruptor** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 1:55 pm

i use the sound forge "acoustic mirror" which is based on the same principle. the results are very impressing for the emulation of real rooms, halls, etc.. i didn't try to emulate a spring reverb myself so far (no need because i got a real one). i could imagine however that it will not work very well for non-linear stuff like the famous "boing" of a spring reverb. the whole impulse response theory is based on the assumption of a linear system. (no distortion) the idea is to take a "snap shot" of an acoustic environment and then use it to recreate the reverb with any dry signal. so there is not much room for real-time tweaking of parameters. here's a pretty enthusiastic <A HREF="http://www.recordingwebsite.com/reviews ... >review</A> for the acoustic mirror

HM · Post by HM » Sat Jul 05, 2003 7:48 am

Thanks for explaining, I hope for a good Spring-sound, hopefully I will have some time also to experiment, and luck to find various springs for testing very soon. HM

BadenRoth · Post by **BadenRoth** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:13 am

Hi - I have a Roland/Boss Rx100 Reverb box and it works great but i am wondering how do i set it up so that its like a stero amp - or is it stuck at 5 watts? cause i cant get it to go any louder- also is their any manuals avaible??