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Some Feedback Please

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 11:20 am
by Vince
It's been a while since I was on this discussion board, I use to correspond with Mike Zee on a few production topics. Anyway, I would like some feedback on some tunes I created and maybe some advise on how to get a possible CD out, if it comes to that. Go to: www.sky.prohosting.com/marc700/ <BR>Please let me know if this URL does not work. <BR> <BR>Thanks, <BR>Vince

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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 11:37 am
by Vince
Sorry, just type in: sky.prohosting.com/marc700/ It won't work with the www. <BR> <BR>Later, <BR>Vince

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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:17 pm
by Mike Zee
Nice cuts. Very vintage stuff style and sound. I dig <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> Are the tracks mono or is it only as mp3-samples? Actually sounds great as mono/compressed...sort of like old scratchy records on some old mono-player...<IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> <BR>What's the story there? Who's playing/performing, what equipment etc...? <BR> <BR><FONT COLOR="ff0000">how to get a possible CD out</FONT>... <BR>What do you mean? Do you mean to produce and release by yourself or to get it released by some rec. lable? <BR> <BR>/respects, <BR>Mike Zee aka Dr ZEE

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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:29 pm
by Vince
Thank you. All the tracks listed, I am playing and recording all the instruments, mostly in my apartment. I sampled the beats for almost all the songs, adding reverb or effects here and there. Untitled ska is the only song where no sample’s was used and was recorded on a 4-track tape cassette. I'm using basic shit. I got a space echo, a mutron and an old mxr delay, mixing through a shity tascam 4-track cassette. <BR> <BR>I am a big fan of the low-fi stuff. I'm trying to go the Guided by Voices rout for dub recording. I'm glade you’re feelin that old style, I was kind of going for that. <BR> <BR>Anyway the truth is I haven't been tracking for about 4 or 5 months, I moved to a new place where I can't make as much noise, but fuck it, I'm itching to make some new music. First I would like to finish some of the songs you sampled on the web site. Maybe produce an EP or something. I went to your web site; by the way you got some cool stuff. Do you run a recording studio? Do you record other bands or just your stuff? It seems like your marketing your own music or are you part of a label? I guess I’m asking for advice on promoting ones own music. <BR> <BR>Anyway, thanks for the feed back. I also uploaded two new songs recorded by an old band mate. His name is Warren Young. He’s bin in a lot good band here in Hawaii, the most popular being "The Tantra Monsters " <BR> <BR>Mahalo, <BR>Vince

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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:04 pm
by Mike Zee
You've got some nice pieces of gear for dub, man... <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;"> Quick thought: try to get a better &#40;more chnls&#41; mixer - to unleash dubbing creative POWERS <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":&#41;">. Dubbing from 4-track tape is a saint thing to do <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /saint.gif">.... nothing "shity" about it, heh heh <BR> <BR>About self-publishing/releasing. Well, that's what I do. There are many ways to do this. Well, basicly you need to get your master-product ready, meaning your original tracks mastered, have them ready to burn on CD. It's better if you have computer with CD-R, so you can burn your own red-book 'master-copy' audio-CD. And you need to design and make ready your album art-works &#40;if you planing on having your CDs with booklet/tray inserts/OnDisc-Print &#40;if you do this make your graphics with at least 300dpi resolution!!!&#41;. Next you have two choices: <BR>1. to manufacture your CDs &#40;pre-order, let's say 100, 500, 1000 CDs etc..&#41;, and then sell CDs your-self. This is costly road and if you do not have promoting powers, then you likely end up with a box of your CDs seating in your room forever ...&#41;. Or you'll need to look for any retailer to sell your CDs.... You can sell your pre-made CDs using http://www.cdbaby.com/ service. I don't use this service, but the idea there is, that you set-up an account there, then send few copies of your cds, and cd-baby sells them through their web-site, they take some commision of the sale price... <BR>2. To use on-line one-on-demand production cd-program, which some web-services offer. There are still few websites out-there with artists CD-Programs. artistlaunch.com as example, but it is pay-per-year service &#40;about $40 a year&#41;, it's good thou in case if you do not have a web-site, because you also get your atist's web-page with audio-mp3s/samples/preview etc... <BR>Now, the way I do it is this: I've 'created' my 'official record-lable' MZE-Electroarts Entertainment title and a web-site MZEntertainment.com .... so I can simply have a home for what ever I release. To make audio-CDs available on-line I use cafepress.com service. The deal there is: you can set-up a free-basic store there or for $60/year you can have a premium store. You can set-up and sell audio-CDs there. The idea is you burn your own audio-CD master and send it to cafepress &#40;snail-mail&#41;, this CD will be used as master-source for duplication. And you have two options for your CD: paper envelop and CD-printed-on, or complete graphics &#40;booklet, tray, cd-print&#41;, you upload your graphics 300dpi in .jpg or .png format..... <BR> <BR>well, man, you've got the idea.... you need to check the details for yourself: http://www.cafepress.com <BR> <BR>To answer your question, also: no I don't record other bands. I used to do some colabs in the past locally, but mostly in more sophisticated studio of my friend, but then he sold the place himself moving to a different house, and closing his recording - studio biz. <BR>My studio is a large basement-room converted into recording/production place... well, bassicly is a room with all my music gear shit ..., computers and crap....heh heh, you can get some idea about it here: <A HREF="http://www.mzentertainment.com/studio.htm" TARGET="_blank">MZE Studio</A> <BR> <BR>if you have any specific questions ...let me know, <BR>/respects, <BR>/Mike Zee aka Dr ZEE

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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:19 pm
by Vince
Thanks for the ideas. The way I look at it is this. I'm not looking to make money here. If I can make enough to recoup for the mastering or printing that's a success story. I've known a lot of people in bands who put out there own stuff and it just sits there in the local record shop and your friends never want to pay for a CD. I think to make any money in music you need decent distribution and write ups and you usually get those by going on tour but since I don’t have a band that won’t be happing. I’m doing this more as a project/hobby. <BR> <BR>A label seem the easiest option but it is conceivable that I could do this by my self, something like you’re doing &#40;YOU’RE MY ISPERATION&#41;. I’m a graphic designer by trade so designing the packaging and producing a web site is not a problem. I would probably like to have someone else master this just for a fresh ear though. Maybe we should start a new discussion about mastering in DUB PRODUCTION because I have a few questions such as cost? I hear $500 for an album is usually fare for a small guy like me. Do you send your stuff out for mastering? Who do you send it to because they have to have that dub ear? I’ve read after you have your master you send it to the CD presser where they make another master from which they duplicate. Also what are the costs for duplicating say $200 CD’s or is that too small of a run. I’m sure these questions can all be answered through research but right now I think it’s about finding the right guy to master my music for the right price. <BR> <BR>Thanks for all the feed back, <BR>Vince

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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:04 pm
by Mike Zee
Vince, here some links for you to check, just read all the info there etc... so you get the idea of vary options as examples. There are so many options available nowdays. <BR><A HREF="http://www.wonderdisc.net/faq.html#CD" TARGET="_blank">Wonderdisc FAQ</A>, check there info on difference between cd-r and CDs-pressing.... this is something you need to make up your mind to begin with...which way to go. <BR> <BR><A HREF="http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/cds.aspx" TARGET="_blank">Cafepress CD-publishing info</A> <BR> <BR><A HREF="http://www.discmakers.com/" TARGET="_blank">Discmakers - very popular and good quality pressing - not cheap thou</A> <BR> <BR><A HREF="http://www.artistlaunch.com/cdprog.asp" TARGET="_blank">ArtistLaunch CD-program</A> <BR> <BR><A HREF="http://www.diskfaktory.com/mf/enter/hom ... c=MFDF0001" TARGET="_blank">Musicians Frien Discfactory - many options on cd duplication ok prices</A> <BR>&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42; <BR>I'd say in general, man, you need to create your own web-site, so you can have centralized information/presentation of your work on the internet and so you have 100% control over the content and keep the domain name never changed.... it takes time to get any 'visability' on the internet, and yes, you need to have your own domain. You also need to keep including your domain/url on every piece of music/art/cd/mp3-tag etc what ever you ever made available , building up over the time your "internet-existence" ;-&#41;... <BR>Then you can test out some product&#40;s&#41; distribution options options. <BR>&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42;&#42; <BR>About mastering. Yeah, this sure can be the whole another topic/conversation. But really there were so many topics and every aspect of this issue have been discussed over and over again in various places on the internet and on paper/magazins. Just do search on 'masterin, cd-mastering ets... and you'll find more blah blah on it than you can handle ..heh heh <BR> <BR>One thing I'd note here, thou..... This notion <FONT COLOR="ff0000">"You must have your final mixes mastered by other dedicated professional"</FONT> is a one of those fake ghosts, which travels on the web and everywhere you go. This kind of things are like a 'virus' ...you know, going from mouth to ear and takes over the 'collective mind' and after a while it becomes a "REALITY"... heh heh <BR>Yeas, it's true, you may improve your final mix if you have a luck to get your mix to a dedicated talanted pro with a nice set of mastering gear and also if the timing hits his/her days of inspiration. <BR>But most likely you end up with somewhat ok job, which you could do all by yourself with a little help of your own effort of doing it - listening - comparing. Especially if you send you mixes to some service where you don't know anybody personally, and prices are low.... so it most likely your mixes willl just go through some software-based "mastering" processing, get your over all levels allright, mayby some eq clean up. Some guys simply run your tracks through some Finalizer &#43; presets or software presets like WAVs Ultramaximizer L1, L2.... and you get your master, which sounds somewhat different, hot, somewhat "punchy".... and you may get an impression of good job, give away couple hundreds bucks.... end of story. You can do all this sh&#42;t yourself. Just don't follow the "ghost-fake-mystery" ..heh heh <BR>Again, if you have access to somebody experienced and with good god-given ear and "devil-given" $500000 studio with some nice hi-end mastering gear, and if you can actually go and particapate in the process, then sure go for it. It may cost you thou.... <BR>Also, you see, if you, let's say were making some band recording, like rock or reggae/ska band...and you have your band recorded on multi-track, and you may have experience difficulties trying to mix it...like you mix it , but really not happy with the result, then it would make much sence to take your multi-track/muti-track tape to the studio with gear and good mixer and good experience professional to mix it for you and master. This can be done very efectively, especially if you have your recordings nicely-hot and dry. But this can not be applied to dub. You mixing is what's this all about. The final mastering is no big deal really, unless you completely feel helpless and feel like don't know what to do or simply don't want to deal with it. <BR> <BR>ok, man, <BR>will check later, <BR>/respects, <BR>/Mike Zee aka Dr ZEE

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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:00 pm
by Vince
Thanks Mike, yah this is going to be a work in progress and I'll figure out how to do stuff &#40;such as mastering&#41; when I come to that bridge. I was just looking for an over view of how to put out some music and you've given me some good leads. <BR> <BR>Vince

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