Neil, thanks for listen, man. You know what it is. There's really not much to the whole thing. Really not so much to even discuss about this track... just what I've said in the original post about it. The track maybe simply borring, objectivly speaking <IMG SRC="
http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)"> well, that's my own judgement. I just felt like dubbing... and there'Ya have it. I don't really feel like it,s something worthy of defending at all for cryingout loud <IMG SRC="
http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>I'll respond to Dubb thou, paying respect to Dubb's attention. <BR> <BR><FONT COLOR="ff0000">Surely you can hear what's wrong with that organ-like sound. It's just cheap, man. NOT the usual high-quality sound you come up with in your dubs. In this track, not just the sound, but the playing is wrong (just sounds like bad keyboarding, as if maybe you were too confused and needed to take a breather). </FONT> <BR>No. I can't hear it's being "wrong". The way I hear it - it's right for what it is. Is it bad keybording? That is VERY possible... in a reletive ways: one man's meat is another man's poison. <BR>Is it 'cheap'? hmmmmm .. that is possible, but just as cheap as all my synth and every other thing I've ever produced: same synthesisers, same effect processors, same mixer - same sh*t: usual "high-quality" sound I come up with <IMG SRC="
http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)">. <BR>Also, Dubb, thanks a bunch for sharing ideas on eq-treatments. If I follow your ideas, I still would have to use my ear, so... you know, there's no treatment for my ear - what my ear tells me - that's what I hear and it is an 'absolute' in my reletive miserable locked-in world - admited, and thus there's no much hope for an outsider... <IMG SRC="
http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR><FONT COLOR="ff0000">...the bass is the basis of all dub, and has to be strong. For a reggae bass to be a true reggae bass, it has to have an edge to it that just grabs you.</FONT> <BR>It is hard to disagree with this statement. I agree <IMG SRC="
http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR><FONT COLOR="ff0000">The "edge" to the bass in this particular track seems washed up and washed out. You have'nt put enough balls into it. The bass on Dust Of Dub is MAD! Much better, man.</FONT> <BR>Now, I can accept if you say simply that the bass is "edgeless and washed out" as your ear's judgement. I have problem thou with comparing it to 'Dust'-track. On Dust the bass is 100% sequenced with no variations through the track and also is very 'unfocused and has no punch at all" "Dust" track had its own things which were interesting to me at the moment. Now, in "Primitive Man" track the bass is actual playing all the way through (no loops, no editing) on real bass. Well the performance itself sure can be accepted or rejected by listener, understood. But it is puzzling to me how can you not to hear a BIG difference between to tracks bass lines, and saying that 'dull electronic mechanical bass' on "Dust" is "mad and alive", while on this track the bass is "electronic, edgeless, ball-less, with no enerergy and simply Dead". It maybe is ugly, borring, simply bad - but no way, it is NOT Dead!But then again, I guess, it is all about taste ...hmmmmm, I don't know. <BR>You see, my taste comming to the point, when I would much more enjoy listening to any bad performance than greate sequence. And trust me I can tell when it is performance and when it is a sequence. To me it does not matter how "great" dub-track is and how 'innovative' it is and how "advanced" and "complex" it is - I will not listen to it more than one time, if it is all programmed/sequenced/automated and pre-calculated - and again, I Can hear what is what and how it is made (well, most of the time <IMG SRC="
http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)">)(same goes to any other musical genre). <BR>And specificly to dub: effects and treatments is a PERFORMANCE in my book. If I don't hear berformance in dub-track - it goes automaticly in one-time listen category <IMG SRC="
http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)"> If there are 'good' and 'bad' moves in dub track - to me it is a natural part of the performance - I want to hear it all - that's what makes it interesting. <BR>I don't expect from everybody else to have the same prefences as I do, thou... <BR> <BR>Now, this one is not 100% seriously, but as note: <BR><FONT COLOR="ff0000">...So therefore I always expect dub to do more for me than simply kill 4 1/2 minutes.</FONT> <BR>Well, I don't. And I actually mean it, in a sense. To me taking dub seriously does not require to treat it as a "matter of national sequrity" <IMG SRC="
http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)"> Dubbing to me is "Killing of A Few Minutes" in the name of love of God, in The name of Love of Bass, Space and a Big Bang <IMG SRC="
http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)"> So there. <BR>I guess, in general arts terms, I'm an 'expressionist' , but not a 'realist'. To me art is not an act of materialiszation of pre-planed vision or idea, but rather emotional imprinting of a passion of the moment with no expectation nor resposablity for a consequence. I hope you do follow me here <IMG SRC="
http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR>Now, how much 'value' is contained in a single "passion of the moment"? If you ask me, my answer is: "Non, nudda-zippo". And how much control can an individual maintain over a "Passion of the moment"? - Non! That IS the key to understanding "my philosophy of not caring about how the end-result sounds" (or in more general terms - how the end result will be accepted and treated by the world), because from its root, the result is not under your control nor it has any senseble value. That is not the only way you can approach the art. But that IS the way I feel comfortable with. <BR> <BR>/respects <BR>/Mike Zee aka Dr ZEE