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aleph



Joined: 06 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2003 10:14 pm    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

moi non plus, avant d'avoir fait l'"erreur" de le
faire(-:)
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munky lee



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2003 11:40 am    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

salut!!

juste pour big up les frenchy dubheads!!!!!

mat
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Karamel



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 6:50 pm    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

Hi
ckeck out the excellent Hughes & Kettner Replex. Its a digital unit but with tubes. I got mine from www.gargantuansound.com
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Looter



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:35 am    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

Digital with tubes? Sounds like an oxymoron. ;-)
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aleph



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 9:26 am    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

And digital whithout tube doesn't sound:-)
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DC



Joined: 28 Mar 2001
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 12:23 am    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

What aleph says is the only way to feedback your echo properly, bout the freq to boost depends on your echo unit.

I have nuff echo units (collect them) from 60`s tape echo with tubes to so called bucket echo to digital ones. The bucket echo is the only one i have that´s not possible to feedback through your desk... phase inverts totally.

DC
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aleph



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:23 pm    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

and it can be dangerous on big sound system;-)
so i use aux pre/post fader switcher like that:
1:put your effect return fader at -5db
2:make a precice "reinjection balance" with aux in pre fad
You have just to switch in pre to have a longer
effect (before a big mute or drum break....)
u can t push your effect ret. aux to far 'cause u don't touch it!
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Tone Scientist



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2003 5:55 am    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

Hello,
I really like this thread...
I have a small collection of tape, analog, and
digital delays and I like them all for different
uses....Digital delays for short quick delays,
analog delays for long, dubbed out feedback delays. Tape delays are cool but they are kind
of a pain because most of them are already 30
years old and the tape is getting fragile.

As far as 2 track tape machines I'd like to
remind everyone of a couple of techniques that
date back to the musique concrete days. One is
tape loops which you make by splicing a length
of tape together. You can make a longer loop by
using a longer length of tape and using a jar
or mic stand to wrap it around. I'm sending you
a link that explains this better. The other technique is to cover the erase head with a piece
of paper, cardboard, or tape. This allows you to
layer sound on sound to create some interesting
textures. On a three head tape system you have a
record head, a playback head and an erase head.
You can also see this in the diagram of the link. Use your creativity and imagination
to apply these techniques to the dub style!!!

http://csunix1.lvc.edu/~snyder/em/mc.html

Respect,
Tone Scientist
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Nematod



Joined: 23 Mar 2001
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 12:09 pm    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

Hey , id like to add to what tone scientist just said; while looking for endless tape loops , i was told that 8-track tape works in almost the same way , so you could have kilometres of tape inside if you felt like it :)
I eventually found the Sony RE-5 endless tape , and i believe there is a RE-4 model also , but i havent been able to try out the 8track spool yet.
The fact that the tape is no longer spinning constantly in a small loop , as on the copicats means that the sound quality is better , the tape doesnt wear down as much , and you wont get the tape coming apart at the splice.
This could be something to try out.
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Morgan Lin



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:41 am    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

Hi,

New to this board while searching for Sony RE-4 endless tape. I have one that is being used in my Hohner Tape Echo unit. I have quite a few of the 8-track tape cartridges. Has anyone tried respool the Sony RE-4 with new tapes? I am thinking of trying it out with the 8-track tapes as they were designed to run continuously. I have spliced some into 20 ft. loop to use it on my Korg Stage Echo and Multivox MX-312 units and the sound is very good. I have heard that the 8-track tapes are lubricated and thus increase tape life.

Morgan Lin
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KoCha



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 10:14 am    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

Hohner make tape echo ???? i think they only do musical instrument... (like melodica)

KoCha

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Nematod



Joined: 23 Mar 2001
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2003 5:31 pm    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

Hi morgan ,
heres a site with info on 8-tracks:
http://www.8trackheaven.com/index2.html

check the section on repairs and how does an 8-track work for info , diagrams etc.

I havent had to respool the re-5 yet , but its only a matter of time...
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Despiracy



Joined: 16 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 10:07 am    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

Joy joy,

i bought a Line 6 DL4 a couple of months ago and i'm very satisfied. First i had some trouble finding the right value for the knobs, but now i think i got it. POST-EQ is pretty important on this one. I use a mackie desk, sending Aux to the DL4, and on the return channel i turned the midfreq eq to maximum and lowered lowfreq to about 1/4. It gives me a echo sound with a punch.

Combined with my Ontari tape recorder i think i can get a pretty organic sound.

I haven't used it in any of my productions though...

One Love,
Despiracy
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HM



Joined: 06 Mar 2001
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 2:54 pm    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

It looks very nice, and even more as rack:

http://www.line6.com/products.asp?ID=75&action=1&item=143&tp=0

Not expensive like TC´s delay II, just I
ask myself if it can do anything that a
cheap plug can´t do better :-)))

Anyway some real cool gear is emulated
roland space echo etc etc

I think the rack-version is on it´s way
to my seccond-hand observation-list

HM
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DJ Brandoa



Joined: 30 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 6:44 am    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

Hey. My Buddy just got this effect pedal by Danelectro called "reel echo" which is a tape echo simulator. You can switch between solid state or tube sounds, plus all the expected stuff like delay time, feedback etc. But what's really cool is the "warble" control to simulate un-steady tape speeds. And it sounds friggin sweet!I find Danelectro makes wonderfully authentic sounding and cheep effects. You should check out their slap-back echo too, it's to die for!
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Elemental



Joined: 28 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:58 pm    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

Hey Interruptor,

I am now searching eBay for tape decks with the r-a-w function, I have found some with 3 heads - is that the same??

I am looking for a deck over a reel-to-reel as it would be much better + convenient for live use, as a deck can be put into a rack. Also, I plan to modify the deck with a speed control.

If you have any suggestions or models u know of that would be wicked,

Big up for this site!
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interruptor



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:51 pm    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

elemental: the r-a-w function is only possible with 3 heads. in general i would think that every tape with three heads also has the r-a-w function (why else should the manufacturer install separate write and read heads?) but i would still ask the seller to make sure you actually get what you need.
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Elemental



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:32 pm    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

Yo interruptor, nice 1 for the tip, I just got it working with a 3-head deck that was lying around - cant find our digital delay though :(

I've been comparing it to the logic tape delay, it sounds nothing like it! It maybe doesnt have the fidelity of a reel-to-reel but shit it sounds cool!! Especially tweaking the eq on the mixer ... wicked. :)

Thank you!
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munk2000xl



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:01 pm    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

in theory it's possible to make a tape echo unit just with a mixer and a RAW tape deck. just need to make a cassette tape that loops. this isn't too hard if you're patient and have some fine tools (stuff you'll prolly have already if you edit tape concrete style, like tweezers, fine sissors/razorblades, tape). some cassette tapes even have screws holding them together for easy dis/assembly.

basically just make a loop with the tape already in the cassette and feed it through the front as usual. remove the excess tape (you can leave the spools in to keep things from getting hung up if you want). then reassemble the case. this should give you a cassette that has a loop on each side. if you use the right tape and get a good slice/edit you should have a nice loop going in your tape deck. i wouldn't worry about the tension too much cause the capsan will keep pulling it across the head.

thats as far as i got last night. but i'm hoping i'll be able the throw the cassette into a RAW tape deck and with a little clever signal routing through my mixer, make an echo unit. i'm planning on running a signal out from my mixer (prolly with my aux) into the deck then running the monitor output back into my aux return. might take some finiking but i figure i can get something going.

i'm guessing the quality on the cassette loop will make for some interesting results. hope this helps.

ps. this thread is awesome.

-munk
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jimmer



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:38 pm    Post subject: Tape echo simulators Reply with quote

hi guys, great site! ive just got a korg stage echo se-300 and its a bit on the wobbly side..does anyone else have one of these so i can check whats up with mine..should the pinch roller have rubber on it..? and does anyone know a uk based servicer for the motor..its nearly working but not quite..jim
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