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Vince Tubby in mean Tully



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 4:57 am    Post subject: Mixer and sound card advice Reply with quote

Dose anyone have feedback on a relatively good soundcard with in $400. I read some reviews on the "Delta 66" which is 24-bit with 4 inputs and 4 outputs. As for a mixer I'm looking for at least 8 channels with 2 aux sends for around the same price. I've heard all the discussion on old boards vs. new ones. I personally want a 70's board because I think it would look cool next to my vintage stomp boxes and I can pretend I'm King Tubby for a day. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read that newer mixers are crisper and cleaner but don't capture that low end as well, partly because they don't have transistors. I donít know I just need a basic 8 channel board for around $200-$300 American.
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Mike Zee



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:34 am    Post subject: Mixer and sound card advice Reply with quote

what's your computer? PC or mac? If PC, then do you have winXP? Do you have USB port or Firewire ? depending on what you have you have vary options for soundcard/system.

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Vince



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 9:18 am    Post subject: Mixer and sound card advice Reply with quote

I running Protools in a mac with both USB and Firewire.

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Mike Zee



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:08 pm    Post subject: Mixer and sound card advice Reply with quote

hah! see? ...
well, for a bigger picture if I was you (with mac and protools), I'd wait and save cash for Digi-2-rack... but it's not cheap.
M-Audio makes cool fire interface: M-Audio Delta 410 FireWire Computer Recording Interface... you can buy it for about $400 ...really cool thing, 8-outs and more. You can go to http://www.musiciansfriend.com for example, then go to 'recording' section and check Firewire interfaces.
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on mixer advice....
I don't really know how to advise on mixing board. 8ch mixer does not look good enough for dubbing to me :).... you can do some thou with it...but really for dubbing on analog mixer you'd need mor 'ROOM' to patch "blood veins" around.... you also would rather use 'sliders' , and it's better to have them long .... 16-20 chnls I'd say minimum. Behringer's boards are the best for money and they are OK, but not the greatest at all.
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old boards? Well, man, this is really a tough question. Yes, I know what you mean.... the problem is thou - to find a mixer in good shape. Mixers are not long living creatures...well, you can find one which was just seatting in dusty studio.... but you'll really have to open it up and clean the hell out of it, treat sliders, knobs etc.... Dubbing board is 'moving board while recording' ...heh heh...if you get scratchy sliders and knobs you are in trouble.
If you just going to use mixer for mixdown, not for dubbing, then it's ok.
Well, if I had an old mixer...I maybe could be more specific, I don't really have any personal experience with old boards.

good luck shopping
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Vince



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 4:22 pm    Post subject: Mixer and sound card advice Reply with quote

I like that the Delta 410 has 8 outs, but it only has 2 inputs. I think I want at least 4 inputs so I can record live stuff straight into the computer. That's why I was looking at the Delta 66 because it has 4 inputs, but it also only has 4 outputs. As for the board I'll probably wait around till I find a good deal.Thanks for the input though.. dam those digi racks will brake a botha's wallet

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Mike Zee



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 2:55 am    Post subject: Mixer and sound card advice Reply with quote

Vince, what 'kind' of LIVE STUFF are you talking about? I mean, are you talking about recording some band/jam playing 'the same time'. The thing is that 4 ins does not do much, you need much more separate ins chnls for band recording. Well you can record something very bassic to 4 chnls, like mono bass, mono lead/vocal, and the rest to stereo 2 chnls.... or something like this, not much for good production anyway.
On the other hand with 2 ins and 8 outs you can record one part at the time and then add-on (if you play everything yourself you don't need more than 2 ins anyway :)), but 8 outs gives you just enough minimum 'room' for dubbing/mixing on output analog mixer. with 4 outs you'll 'hit the wall' all the time. You'll want this and that to have on separate chnl, but will be forced to have it mixed with other parts...
also, if you don't have any analog mixer, I'd say buy the most chnls with sliders (not knobs, like some smalll mixers are) which you can afford ... new and cheap way ..heh heh. This way you at least will have something which WORKs and usefull for dubbing. Then later you can think about adding some vintage antiques, if you have extra cash...lol. But buying old mixer when it is the only mixer you have ...kind of risky, well, you may be lucky, it's like taking a chance.
You see my main point is: get maximum outs out of your computer and maximum analog mixer chnls (and know for shure that the mixer is ok) for the money you have to spend.... so you can get yourself into actuall dubbing first.
also if you have PCI slot you can get M-Audio Delta 1010-LT, wich is 10ins/out (actually 8 analog ins/out), no box, just card with bunch of RCA-ended-hair :)- cheapest way to have good quality chnls in/out for the computer, you can buy for around under $300 (i've seen $279 at musiciansfriend.com as sale-price.)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:38 am    Post subject: Mixer and sound card advice Reply with quote

Mike you dropped a lot of useful info on me and that Delta 1010-Lt seems like a good choice with 24 bit 96khz recording. I defiantly want multiple ins to record live band stuff. I'm trying to put a surf rockabilly thing together and thatís what the inputs would be for, or any other live type recording. I do see the value in more than 4 outs and when I get a decent board and a card like the 1010 I'll be able to really start dubbing in real time. I noticed a page where a lot of you guys post your music for critiquing. I got a couple songs to share; I'll put them up when they are done. Thanks for your help.

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