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"düü dip dip" organ sound

 
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preLay



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 3:22 pm    Post subject: "düü dip dip" organ sound Reply with quote

hi guys!
how can i sequence such a organ sound thats mostly used in reggae that gives it more speed ... it's an rhodes-organ .. but my soundfont do't getr this sound :(

please help me!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 4:46 pm    Post subject: "düü dip dip" organ sound Reply with quote

Question for you first:
are you looking for some free samples download source? or is your question about what sample-based midi-synthesizer to buy?
Or is your question just about midi-sequencing techniques?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 4:48 pm    Post subject: "düü dip dip" organ sound Reply with quote

also to ansevwer your question it would be nice to know what is your set-up (software/hardware, how do you make your music in general)....
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 6:36 pm    Post subject: "düü dip dip" organ sound Reply with quote

hehe .. my question is about sequencing-tehnique but also bout what soundfont to use ...

i'm using fruityloops but i'm willing to change to other things if you name something better ...
(i don't have an midi-keyboard or such..)

greetings!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 8:01 pm    Post subject: "düü dip dip" organ sound Reply with quote

ok, man, ..sorry, I can't help you with soundfont advise, simply because I never used this stuff and don't know a thing about s.fonts. My gues you will have a real hard time finding good e-organ samples in soundfonts. Rhods? maybe... relatively speaking ;)
From my experience E-MU midi-synthesizers have some pretty good sounding vintage like organ ROM/Patches. I have some programs in ORBIT 9090, which are great as raw programs. It takes some external treatment (mixer/eq/compressor tweaking) to get it sounding more natural...and well, you gotta play it with 'feel'. Step sequencing is a real trip man. Takes allots of work/experience.
There is E-MU organ midi-module...it's great, but not cheap. E-MU also now has EmulatorX desktop sampling system... see this topic: http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discus/messages/1/671.html?1077068352
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I don't know, but you can try to go to Mesian Dread's dubroom site. He used to use soundfonts allot if not 'exlusively' :)...if you manage to contact him, he'll be the guy to find an advice on soundfont for dub/reggae.

Well, the 'right' answer in general is: to get phat organ sound you gotta record real phat organ :)... and recording real e-organ isn't easy task. Right way to do it is to mic organ's speaker... tough work.... same as recording guitar and bass.
To deal with it using samples...well, there's no rules here. You simply can try applying something what ever your software lets you (eq.../compressor) ...listen, try to find something the best sounding what ever you can manage based on your samples. You see, the problem is here, that a one single sample of a one note will not do the job. To create a 'playable' sample-based program of an analog instrument, you have to do multisampling of different notes and also do allots of work on filter/evelope..... and at the end you still have a sort of 'immitation' of instrument, it never comes to the same overall texture as you play/record real instrument. It is a problem in general for music like reggae, rock, jazz, blues etc....

oh well,
blah, ...sorry for not being much of a help :(

/respects,
/Mike Zee aka DrZEE

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 8:52 pm    Post subject: "düü dip dip" organ sound Reply with quote

hm .. ok .. thats much to deal with ... now next question:

HOW do keyboarders press the keys to get that "duu dip dip" sound ... ya know .. the chank with a long in near front of the chank and 1 short afer ...
thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:52 pm    Post subject: "düü dip dip" organ sound Reply with quote

as far as my imagination tells me what you may mean ;-)
I gues you are talking about up-beat chords (skanks). Chord consists of three/four notes(keys) ... so when skankin' the player alternates naturally those notes... player does not really presses them perfectly at the same time and the same strength... the result is that the 'same' chord has some what different sound/accent/dominating(loudest) note. So if you press lower note harder than the heigher ones the overall sound will be naturally 'lower'. Press higher note(s) harder...you get higher sound. Now if you add to the picture the length of the notes...then things get really freaky ..heh heh ... you hold a note down a little longer and you get a very different sound when playing e-organ (also depending on the attack ...how fast the level reaches its top after you press the note)...
You really need to try to play it to fully get the idea.
Also, I wish to notice here. Keep in mind, that what you hear in the mix of instrumental reggae track it may not be exactly what you may think it is, depanding on how complex the mix is...how many players in the band/instruments...., because the sounds may come from oragan or/and piano or /and guitar(s) or/and even bass or percussion instrument,

Also, sometimes piano/organ/rhods chords maybe sent through short echo/delay.... so actually what you hear isn't really being played, but it's a result of one skank/chord plus echo(repetition)...
There's a nice little book on playing synth in reggae...I think I have it listed on the bottom of my dub-lab page: zee dub lab, scroll down to the page.... there are couple of 'learn to play reggae books' there...it called: "Hal Leonard How to Play Reggae Keyboard ", the book also includes the CD to play alone with

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/Mike Zee aka Dr ZEE

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