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Nematod

Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 11:45 am:

Im probably (definitely!) gonna buy a Watkins Copicat off some guy next week , does anyone know how much theyre worth? Im not sure if its a valve or the solid state model though. BTW , the tape loops are still available from watkins : www.wemwatkins.co.uk

interruptor

Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 05:40 pm:

Hi Nematod!

Check this page at harmony central with 2 reviews. They mention prices of 50 and 90 british pound.
Over here a copycat is offered for 225US$.. a bit price but they really have nice pics!

finally at this site one is offered for 350 Rand (south africa)

peace
The Interruptor

nematod

Posted on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 10:35 am:

Unfortunately the copicat had been sold , but the seller also has a vintage Binson 3-input echo unit
, its just been serviced as the parts are still available , but it doesnt use tape , it has some magnetic disk inside. this is for £70 stg. is this worth getting or am i better off waiting for a copicat?? any help appreciated.

interruptor

Posted on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 05:49 pm:

The Binson homepage gives information about the different models.
Disc echoes were more expensive and looked at as a better quality alternative to tape echo units. As far as I can see the Binsons are generally still being sold at higher prices than tape echoes ==> see these two links: 1, 2
The Binsons seem to be favoured a lot by guitar players who are into the Pink Floyd type of psychedelic music. I couldn't figure out however whether the better quality could actually be a drawback for dub purposes. I guess you should listen to this unit yourself before buying it..

nematod

Posted on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 10:06 am:

This one is an Echorec 2 , and has been recently serviced. the parts are still available also. I wouldnt worry about a "too clean" sound , there are plenty of ways to take care of that

Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 11:08 am:

I have the experience with these disk echo's that they cannot be feedbacked very good.
I have a copycat with valves and when you feedback the copycat through his own aux send you can get very nice controllable bleeps from the oscillating valves.

i picked one up a couple of years ago for 75 guilders, that's about $30,-us. But i guess i was lucky. it seems like they're worth a lot more.

Karl Johnson

Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 09:23 pm:

Hi NEMATOD,

did you buy the binson or did you get a copicat. I am interested in getting hold of a Binson. Do you want to sell, or do you have the deatils from the guy who you mentioned?

My email is gargantuansound@hotmail.com
Cheers
Karl

morgan lin

Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 07:59 pm:

Hi All,

It seems that there is a general problem with Binson units. The wiring inside the echo unit gets brittle over time and the insulation on the wire cracked and actually falls off. I had to rewire my PE-603-TU completely but the unit is still not functioning.

Morgan

Atomic

Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 10:31 am:

Hi Morgan !

I had to do exactly the same thing with my baby binson . One day it just wasnt working , and upon investigating I found that all the signal wiring inner insulation had crumbled , and everything was shorting.Replaced with good new stuff , and bingo ...up and running again! Its not a difficult job really , but there are lots of wires!
The sound of the binson is cleaner and harder than , say that of a copicat or space echo . Guys like Nigel Godrich and Darren Allison still use this stuff on their records.I heard the latter gettin some amazing dubby noises out of a rebadged sound city echomaster , a couple of years ago,on a mix session..
The Binsons are pretty indestructable too , and eric at binson.com really knows his stuff . If you see one , grab it!

love

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