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Wazzoo

Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 05:28 pm:

Ok, so, here's what I would like to do:
I want to play a loop (or more at the same time), and then add other samples whenever I feel like it, and record the whole thing while I'm playing it.
I've tried using Fruity loops and Acid, but there I have to put the samples and loops together in the order I want them to be played, and only then can I make an MP3.
Is there anyway I can do this on a computer, and if there is, which programmes should I use?

Thanx.

Mike Zee

Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 08:37 pm:

To answer your question it would be nice to know what do your have. What computer, soundcard (in-outs), what operating system, ram, processor.
Are you looking to buy software or looking for a freeware?
Are you looking to use any external gear/options... or are interested to do everything "inside the computer".
What software you have already and what software do you know well.?
what do you mean by saying: add other samples whenever I feel like it....?
In acid you can add any sample/loop/audio-take anywhere in time you wish or feel like

In general when working "inside the computer" you don't need to record anything... it's all there (or pre-recorded (sampled, say digitized)... All you do is "re-arrange" the data and apply real-time dsp (if you have a such option, depending on you software-application and computer's system 'power')
Recording "in real time" (recording actually always IS in real time - that's what recording is

about) , means you take the source sound/or signal (or data in digital world) and "transmit" it to another device (tape, disc or what ever media). Sound gets "transformed" into electrical signal (and then converted (sampled) into digital data in digital recording).....
So if you are talking about RECORDING, something what your computer is "playing" at its soundcards output (that's what you hear... right?) .... then it would mean you need to take that signal and send it to input of what ever RECORDING device you have. As I understand the recording device in you case it the same computer....

, correct?
well, then here you already can see the sort of answer to your question: "How can I record something from one source to itself?" ...well, it may sound funny...thou....
Now, technically it is possible, if you computer system is up to the task and has appropriate software/hardware combination.
I know some guys have two sound cards and play through one - record to the other.... as example.
Or multi in/outs cards.

/mz

kenyatta

Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 04:46 am:

the BEST software for what you're describing is Ableton Live. It is perfect fo this. check it out. download the demo. it's made just for what you're describing. me, i use reason, which is great, but it doesn't allow me to "drop in a sample whenever i want." it's closer to fruityloop in that regard. but live was made just for that. peace.

Mike Zee

Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 05:55 am:

http://www.ableton.com

looks pretty good, but $399... (i've seen $239 at http://www.americanmusical.com ...the lowest I could find) hmmmmmmm
for this price (well a little bit more) there are better audio/midi production pro-applications with ton of pro tools and options.

Cakewalk SONAR 2 Multitrack PC Recording Studio - $299,
Emagic Logic Audio Gold for Windows 5.0 - $289,

or get yourself the whole Steinberg Cubase SL PC for WIN 2000 and XP ($329)

well, i would not be critical of ableton, 'cos I don't really know that software.... maybe it is really that good, from the info I did not get that impression thou... I may be wrong....

well, then again, if the click-drop of a clip "in real time" is so important for you ...then it may be a piece of mind for your needs ...

,
however, I'd recommend to get a major digital recording/midi-sequencer/production platform and a pro sound card with multi-in/outs...and and do all the tricks you wish with a good quality.
With Sonar of Steinberg Cubase you can do anything from playing/messing around for fun through top-sophisticated planed and demanding production with all pro-options, like sophisticated sequencing, audio-editing, composing/scoring, mixing and even mastering (well, with a little more care in this area ....)

respects,
/mike zee

Wazzoo

Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 06:10 pm:

Hmm, thanx for the advice, Mike Zee, but it all seems a bit to expensive to me...
Yeah, I know, if I want to do something good, I need the proper equipment, but... I think I'll try and see what's Live like first.
BTW, I was surfing a bit after posting my original message and found this wicked site:

www.sharewaremusicmachine.com

Check it out, there are some really great tools for download there, and some of them are even freeware.

Respect.

Mike Zee

Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 07:43 pm:

Wazzoo , I'm not really trying to say that these software are the way to go ONLY...., it's just in case if you're thinking of spending $240 on ableton, than at least first take a very good look at these three, extra $50-100, but you'll get the Real-deal professional foundation if you are into computer-based production. And don't forget that things like popularity, past-history (means many producer's experience) and technical-support - all these , what I call "hiddn values".
At first you may think it's not a big deal, but when you get into actually using the software, you may get into various situations when youmay really need to find some advice or some technical trick, tip etc, and you can find allots of usefull and helpful info on the web, magazines, b-boards in regards to your specific set-up, hardware or even specifics of your musical style....
It takes time and practical working experience of many people(users) and their feedback to develop a good relyable pro-software with usefull support.

As for freeware, well, it's like fishing in the ocean nowdays ...

sure, you can catch some lunch ...

respects,
/Mike Zee

Wazzoo

Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 04:59 pm:

Yeah, I can see your point, Mike. Now, I would probably spend all that money on equipment, software etc. if I was going to dub professionally. Since I'm dubbing only for my personal pleasure and for a few friends, I find that there are quite cheap shareware programs that do just what I want. For example, yesterday I stumbled upon Audio Record Wizard, a great little program that's exactly what I was looking for. It records any output from the soundcard.
Now I can play music in Fruity loops or Acid, and ARW will record it WHILE I'm playing it.
I don't have to pre-arrange the patterns before I can play and record the song.
The output of the sound is great, because ARW actually reduces noise.
I also know of another program, Silent Bob, that does the same thing, and it's freeware, but I couldn't find it anywhere on the net.

Respect.

Mike Zee

Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:49 pm:

haaa, this is a neato-thing

, so you're all set for the TASK,
btw, here's the linkos: arwizard
I didn't know about this software, pretty cool.
Interesting is that it makes a piece'o'cake to record any streaming audio in what-ever format even if the 'source' isn't available for d-load. Yeah, right - streaming only , heh heh
btw, there's a cool flash-movie how to record "from winamp". Well, forget about technicalities... it makes it easy for any user, another words: "you play winamp - you record from winamp" -

, right? Who cares, as long as it does what you think it does....
*****
off topic:
...if I was going to dub professionally
hah, this is actually the first time i've seen a "term" dub professionally.
Well, I am not really serious here, but my thought is: dubbing is always a sort of hobby or labour of love, sort'o'speak

I mean, you can be a professional music producer, but DUBbing is a hobby within your professional dwelving.
It's like being, let's say, a professional inerior designer, and yet still making your own original paintings out of your soul demands, even thou you may sell the paintings as well

respects,
/Mike Zee
mze-zdl music

Sata Weeva

Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 01:08 pm:

Dear Mad Professor,
Get a job and a haircut!

Let's face it Mike, anything can be a profession these days. As long you as you work hard nuff for it.

I overstand what ya mean tho. My personal philosophy with dub is to make it sound the way I want it rather than appealing to a demographic. I figure if I like it then someone else, somewhere in the world, will like it too.

Respect.

Mike Zee

Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 06:35 pm:

heh heh, lol,

I don't think Neil has got much for a cut , thou ...

also, from 'pro-biz' point his "job" is ARIWA, while dubbin' is a hobby-for-sale' ..., well, i'm not serious...
*****
also, it's true, if you produce something what you like yourself, then there's a bit of a hope that you're making something good. If not...then it's pretty hopeless... me thinks

respects,
/Mike Zee

KoCha

Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 08:40 am:

They are not Dub Pro / Dub non-pro but they have Pro Artist / Home Artist...

It's what i think, and you can be a home artist (like you online dubster ;-)) and have serious hardware or be a pro artist and just use free software with your sb16.
But a pro-artist can live with money that music give to him...

And i think it's impossible to get babylonmoney uniquely with doing dubwise.. and it's not our goal! no? our way is zion ;)

See you,

KoCha

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