| Author | Message | ||
     johnp352 |
Anyone one here using the Propellerhead Reason program for making dub? The Reason Station and Prop sites are full of songs/mixers/writers, some of which even use the word "dub", but after a listen....none seem to know what dub is about. So- I have begun to set up some "studios" in Reason with good efx units, as well as some sub bass synths and plenty of samplers and Rex players. I am trying to run this in sync with an Akai 12 track hard disk recorder, which also feeds an old 8x4x4 analog desk (which i use for an efx board, patching in various analog efx which are run on faders). iow, a hybrid digital/analog dub system, all of which, due to Reason's ability to be controlled via midi, can be adjusted on the fly. It's been a massive headache to set up though, and i'd sure like to find some other people doing the same sort of ting. I primarily play bass and melodica. In addition I am doing drum programming/keys/sample flying/saxophone emulating. My music falls in between 70's JA dub (closer to Tubby than LSP in that respect), and the newer experiments of Jah Wobble, TDC and Dry + Heavy. No electro, no "techno", maybe a nod in the direction of early Dancehall..but mostly heavy roots with realtime playing and mixing. Any collaborators/help/commisurations appreciated. I am especially interested in working with any reed and/or saxophone players who understand dub, and have ideas and pc studios to put them down. best, jp | ||
| munky lee |
I work now with reason. I really enjoy the synth, sampler, fxs and desk, and all the possibilities to plug all this. and I want to use it for live playing. I just wait to buy a soundcard with 8 analog line outs to plug on my mackie desk. so I will be able to mix my tunes live. | ||
| digikal rootz |
yeh digikal roots here, most of my dub is done in reason 2/cubase.Fx r limited but its the sound manipulation with limited gear that excites "dub heads". Keep dubbin everyone!!!!! Peace digi rootz.............. | ||
| sorce |
I'd love to hear some stuff John Dany | ||
| Chino |
I use Reason2 to make some "dub noise". I find it great and I´m trying to combine it with Cubase for best results. I´m from Argentina and I enjoy this forum. If someone speak spanish: welcome! Chino from B.A.S.S. (Buenos Aires Sound System) bass@enaudio.net.ar | ||
| Looter |
Yeah, I just downloaded the reason demo. it looks cool, like hardware. I'm going to have to learn a lot about it before i can make something really creative but it looks like a really cool piece of software. I'll probably have many questions in the future about dubbing with reason but for now, can anyone give me some basic pointers on using reason to it's fullest? Thanks, Kevin | ||
| interruptor |
For those who haven't seen it yet: Propellerheads teamed up with Mad Professor to convince us of Reason's Dub abilities.. check this demo page with a Mad Professor Dub in reason native format and as an MP3 file. | ||
| john |
the MP stuff is ok...but a little too slick for me. Reason can do a lot more than this lets on, though the routing for the efx in the reason file is inneresting. There's also a fine "spring reverb" file available now, making the Reason reverb more rootswise. still doesn't come close to the Fisher though. | ||
| munky lee |
tell me more about this spring reverb file! is it a system file to put in the reason program directory or what? where to find it? cheers, mat | ||
| John |
it's an rns file..a song file containing an efx routing...at Peff's site...scroll down to the spring reverb rns http://www.peff.com/home/index.html there's some other good stuff there too, but not dubwise | ||
| monty dan |
i been using Reason for a while now ,making dub stuff,i think its quite good seeing as i had absolutly no experiance in making tunes b4 i got it(if u like u can check em out @ http://www.reasonstation.net/users/usersng.phtml?user=9205) also the l8est version has a new "advance" verb unit which does do spring verb's(has a few ready made patches but it eze to do your own)so makes Reason much more rootsy. keep up the worx peace MD | ||
| jj |
Yes! Im kinda looking for ya all for a long time :-) i make my dub also with reason.. starting from the first version till the one thats out now, v2.5.. im pretty addicted to it. its been incredibly improved - check the new RV7000 reverb for instance... its has all kinda algorhythmic delays including the a spring verbs, multitap, backwards, plate and many many more - its also eq-ed and has a audio/cv gate controller! of curz its has a programmable damper, hi-tones and dry/wet buttons and u can save each made setup in a patch! sooooo koool! the wiring on the back is incredible! imagine u could split a string or even a snare/anything into e.g. 5 outputs, all feeded by a different verb! the audio merger/splitter or reason 2.5 does this! hmm it starts to look like an advertisement for propheads huh..hehehe.. but Reason is GREAT! im looking for people to do some collabs with and share experience. My 'goal' is to make 70's dub style with mainly '2k-gear'. Reason has all to do this is my opinion (maybe with some vst attached). For input and for mixing i use an Oxygen8-midi controller with 2 octave keys and 8 rotation knobs wich can be programmed on any knob u see in reason (incl. mixer and all fx!) very nice for a kinda 'analog/digital' mixing. Next thing on my list is better controller with 10 slides and 40 knobs and a roland drumpad. im all running on a mac g4 450dp in os9.. so if u got (nearly) the same goal, gear and vibez mail me. got also about 25gb of refills on a reason-server | ||
| Shane Burroughs |
Anybody use Reason with a VS 1880 (or 1680) I could sure use some help. I love reason 2.0 and if I could get it to sync with my 1880 I'd be a happy man. I use a blue and white g-3 Mac, and a Midisport 2x2. Reason already recognizes both devices but my settings must be off on one or the other because I can't get either one to control the other. Realtime help would be great, email also appreciated though. If you call me (in LA) I'll return the call on my dime. Thanks in advance, -Shane 818-279-3561 (cell) | ||
| cree cree |
I am interested in getting into dub prodcuction and am leaning towards reason. I have no prior knowledge of creating music and am wondering exactly what I need. I own my own business and have a power mac g4 dual 1.25 which I understand is good for music production. If I get Reason and an oxygen8 is that enough to get started? Sorry for being so uninformed- Cree | ||
| interruptor |
if you're new to music making this combination will keep you busy for quite a while. try the demo version first anyway. | ||
| jadranko |
HI,Jadranko here, I play guitar in a dub band, but I I'm also using reason to make dubs for my self at home.I know how to use it, but I don't know how(and is it) possible to connect Reason mixer channels to a real mixer, so I can control all channels and auxes with my hands and not with mice.Cheers! | ||
| nobby |
Hey Jadranko, yes it is possible to connect reasons mixer channels to an external mixer, all you need is a multi output soundcard. i use a marian marc 8 to output into a folio sx mixer. you just route the mixer channels in reason to the different soundcard outputs at the top of the reason screen. there are many multi output soundcards available, hope this has helped. good luck, cheers, Nobby | ||
| nobby |
alternatively you could get a midi control unit like kenton spin doctor or pocket dial so you can control reason mixer/effects/instruments with knobs/faders... | ||
| yvo2000 |
What can't you do in Reason ? Maybe just get a good masterin'... But for the rest, with a little bi of imagination this software is fantastic, turnin' your everyday pc in a really cool studio ! Real professionnal or deep dubheadz with experience will also turn to others techniques of course... | ||
| erik mallinson |
Try Reason re-wired into Ableton Live, where you can use those DubScrolls VST plugins on reason sounds and add live instrumentation as well. Not to be missed! | ||
| S.Ishihara |
To monty dan, you are the genius! I had been suspicious about Reason, 'cause typical cold electronica things are relatively easy to do with Reason, especially version 2.5, (my experience) but (until now) I haven't heard anyone making true dub with Reason. But, your piece is it! Salt water come in my eyes. S. Ishihara Mad Assistant Professor Hiroshima International University Peace, from Hiroshima | ||
| HM |
>> I haven't heard anyone >> making true dub with Reason. he he ;-) HM | ||
| GREEZY STYLEZ |
How in the world would someone make Dub on Reason? Cool idea but I strongly doubt it could contend with true Dub from the seventies. One of the things that makes Dub so beautiful is the use of analog gear. I'd love to be proven wrong but all the current so called Dub I've heard lacks so much integrity. Prove me wrong and post a link... Respect 2 All. | ||
| zjokka |
I only use Reason to cook up drumloops that i process to audiofiles to put in my sequencer. That's all. If I would have a drum booth at home and a good drummer, I wouldn't use Reason at all. I don't understand why people would want to use midi piano skanks, now computers are can run the audio files with ease. Some dubber tend to like midi because it allows them to alter the sound completely even just before mixing down. But often this just results in uncentered tracks. The important thing is to make fixed arrangement decisions to build up a track. I agree that most Reasondub doesn't lift off and sounds like a computer, but not that it is impossible to make it sound "like real dub". Instead of studying Reason, one should also study historical reggae studio techniques. The recent *Studio One Story* on Souljazz records contains a long interview with Coxsone Dodd where he explains how the put the guitar through the Sound Dimension echobox. While the guitar actually plays only one countertime stroke *chak* the echo doubles it to *chakak*. You can use this technique on either piano or guitar skanks, and although the result is subtle, it will give your track more of a reggae feel. And that's the basic problem with midi computerprogrmmed dub: it is too easy to get it to play exactly right, and too hard to get them to play subtly off-beat. It is possible, but it takes a great deal of time. Personally, I think a lot of computerdub doesn't sound good to old skool dubbers cos they like to hear the electric bass buzzin' thru. Though I am amazed at Kocha's basses. If you wanna hear my stuff just surf to --- http://dubstation.tk --- take care dub up your Christmas! respect zjokka | ||
| philarcher |
reason is like a toy,all sounds have a sheen, this u dont want,when writing dub,load a audio sample into the sampler, and see how much it compresion is added,this is not good! | ||
| digikal rootz |
dub can be made in reason,a sound is only a sound, its what u do with that sound that makes the difference, manipulation is the key,there are no limits.... peace.. digikal rootz.. | ||
| Pete Murda Tone |
depends whether you think UK style digidub etc is worthless and inauthentic... (Shaka and Iration Steppas often make pretty crude digital dub plate bangers...but they are so effective) as far as i can see every new style of reggae has been initially dismissed by purists...Perry's productions were derided initially.. one "expert" used reckon dancehall was just a tinny coke-noise but now a label he is assoc with is on the reissue bandwagon and 80s digi is rebranded as "classic" some still maintain that dub is only authentic if it is a dub made from an original vocal track.. reasons new reverb/distortion units and use of good source material can make a big difference + you dont have to quantize...or you can cut up a section from a track you like the feel of in recycle and use it as a groove template I only use reason because of $ factor, no diss to any other method. More folks should take a leaf out of Ryan Moores attidude to anlogue vs digital creative misuse of high tech gadgets...wasnt that what tubby and perry did? btw I am down for reason collaboration/remixing if anyone is interested.. Cheers | ||
| foufoune23 |
I am also interested in getting into dub, with reason cuz it's cheap. One thing I will want though, is a good piece of midi controller box, the kind that can emulate a real mixer with assignables faders and knobs. I would just play analog loops (mines', friends' and samples) through efx configurations, mix them live as any I-Roy would do. Anybody done that to tell me what it is worth ? | ||
| dreadrecords |
hi work with reason2.5 to make my reggae but is just for fun and hobby i just post 2 songs in "www.reasonstation.net" go the songs browse or look for dreadrecords nickname you can dowload it and post your song . if yu go there then feedback to me with your opinion dreadrecords@yahoo.com | ||
| Mr Weasel |
Is there any way to tap tempo the delays in Reason? thanks | ||
| Ras Dawit |
Here's a lil reason dub trick to ''Reason''upon....If you want more realistic Analog style delays/echos,route the digial delays through one of the env.filters and as you tweak/automate the delay feedback,sweep the filter slowly from low to high.(Record/automate the sweep too..)You hear a great emulation of the organic analog echo feedback!Simular in sound to a Line 6 echo-pro I feel...Season between the low pass/high pass settings of the filter for personal taste/needs etc..''Yes-I!'' Forward Love... | ||
| Leigh |
Hi I have just bought a new computer with Cubase SE {Rewired as they say} to Reason 3. I was wondering when it gets delivered {seeing as I am new to Reason} not to Cubase as I have an old system with Cubase VST on it. Do you have any Effect setup advice on Reason a basic setup for Dub for where I can start. Which Effects routed to each other and how to route them to the mixer E.T.C. Is there any good Dub Effects that you have found to work with such as reverb delays phaseres E.T.C. It would be much appreciated if you could help so I'll have some idea about Reason when my new system is delivered. Leigh. | ||
| da g |
Its like the holy grail being able to replicate that tubbys+jammys 70's splash effect on the rim or snare . I've tried various units(space echo, grampian, fisher) and still the sound that they get is impossible. Sure people say reggae is about innovation but the sound that these guys got is i'm afraid is impossible to create through any reason package or modern system. I'm afraid you would've had to be born 25 or 30 years in the city of Kingston JA to truly get that sound and hung around wit the man himself. | ||
| DC |
King Tubby's used customized mixing console that's the thing. But it's not that hard to do again. You need a spring reverb and a parametric EQ with quite a big range. Place the EQ after the spring and start tweaking the EQ on certain freqs | ||
| IronShirt |
I just started using Reason 3 for Dub work. I really like the quality of sounds + there's lot's of room to create the sounds your looking for. If your willing to learn and experiment a lot of the traditional Dub effects can be reproduced in Reason. Just wire up the reverb and delays and filters and vocoder and tweak away. A lot of the effect you hear in Dub has a lot to do with hardware plugging somethin into somethin else and tweaking knobs. Reason has a hardware like feel to it and so I believe thusly the same kind of creativeity can be applied. If you find Reason too confining try pairing it up with somethin like Ableton Live and then add what vst synths and effects you want. | ||
| cheech |
Hey guys I've been doing some dub tracks with reason recently and I must say I'm quite satisfied with the sound I achieved. I've ran into one problem though: On my quest for tape delay feedbacks I've tried each and every patch I could find out there and built some myself. The sound is okay for like 3-4 seconds, but when I try to get some more feedback going, the sound turns from echos to a feedback sound that reminds me more of Jimmy Hendrix in Woodstock than a Dub from Tubby's studio. Does anyone have any helpful tips or patches to exchange?? | ||
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