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Bird

Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 03:01 pm:

Haj,
My name's Bird and since these screens are filled with words (the music's playing through them though), I'd like to start a brainstorm about the dub-phenomenon.
You can speak about the effects and the technical aspect of dub, but I think it is also interesting tot broaden dub to a way of thinking...dub as re-inventing the old, as a constant mutation of forms.
Maybe some of you have some interesting ideas about dub and like to share them,
Let the horizon broaden...

Mike Zee

Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 09:32 am:

Q
dub as re-inventing the old...
/Q
****
hmmmmm, as I see it: DUB is The Old!

in my mind dub is no-mystery, really. I simply see it as Reggae-Based Musical Production where The Producer acts as Musician/Performer during Production Process. Production Process is pretty much technical, so do you like it or not most talking is and will be about technical aspects.
The only I could stress here is that Technical Production in DUB is THE PERFORMANCE (not just a chain of calculated steps and approved presets and applicatins), and thus it is filled with 'mystery'...

***
respects,

/Mike Zee
zee dub lab

Bird

Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 02:50 pm:

Ah...I think I understand what you say.
It is possible though to describe technical processes in another language. That's even what is happening when you perform the Production Process. You can see the machinery as a kind of translator of ideas. I'm interested in grasping or taking a glimpse at those ideas which, I think, form the base.
You can go on about forms, but I think the Dub can only get more interesting when you dive into other regions.
But you do 'ave a point where you just perform and let the action speak louther than words...
Create,
Bird

Mike Zee

Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 11:00 am:

Mixing Desk conncted to the source, through effects and feedback in its complex - is like The Beast ready to 'wake up'. Producer starts the reels and The Beast - is Alive.
Producer knows that The Beast Is Alive, because when Producer moves one slider 'here' - The whole Organism Reacts. Producer moves the other slider 'there' and The Beast Reacts again.
Now Producer Listens To the Reaction and responds by moving another slider.
In the next few seconds the Producer and The Beast are actually acting as One Organism, and it becomes hard to draw the line between The Master-Brain and 'The Instrument of Execution'...
The Phenomenon of The Deliverance Of The Dub is in present live moment.
When the Reels stop - The Phenomenon is gone. Pooffff!
If you catchs the above "Event" on tape - You've got the DUB RECORD!!!!

****
well, t'was my 'brainless storm' , he he

later,

respects,
/Mike Zee

KoCha

Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 08:11 am:

If you hear king tubby's dub they was a inexplicable warm and irie spirit.
It's very simple but very dificulte at same time... the rythm and melody are basic but the sounds get with the effects make me fly away.
With the dub is possible to sit down in sofa and just listen and think about this babylon system and the zion way.
And with the dub is too possible to stand up and dance all the night on the drum and guitar rythm !!

So dub can help to destress and help to dance. it's make all a music can do!

And when i listen to my favourite king tubby's and augustus pablo soung i have shiver in the back... ah yes i love dub!! and Jah Rastafari!!

KoCha

pavle

Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 01:03 am:

yeah, that's a good discussion you propose, Bird.
"re-inventing the old" .... experimentation. going beyond the limits. why does a guitar have to follow guitar rules? why shouldn't it follow other rules ... percussion, bass, whatever ...?
to me, just trying to re-create the sound of 70s dub is losing the philosophy of dub. dub was creative, new. play it now, but put something new into it, some kind of experiment ..... otherwise it's just 70's dub .... and not Dub (with capital D).
anyways, i see it as alchemy. as real creation. freedom of movement and expression. what goes wrong becomes "right". just the way life should be seen: with a slightly more artistic eye, and seeking to employ the so-called "errors" (which in reality are not errors .... because there is no such thing as error). highly spiritual. breaking all of the rules they try to impose upon us. laughing away their so-called "science" and all their blind "scientific evidence".
you look at a good dancer or an artist or poet .... look and notice that it's not a question of being "better". and neither is it a question of perfection. no, it's about feeling the flow. nothing more nothing less nothing else. perfection is not a result; the results don't count for shit. it's about the process. i could create something and be happy with it, but then a few days later be sad because it gets "destroyed" .... but i'm wasting time in that way; i'm wrongly concentrating on the result. the actual process of creation is that which counts - the spiritual side. to be sure, i ain't gonna be able to take any of my results with me when i die. that which i learn: yes. can't undo the path cleared by the soul.

KingLion

Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 08:12 pm:

Dub is all about space. To give each sound its own place. Dat why the bass often get pushed down to sub frequencies. It bubble up ya spine from di ground, forming the ground in ya conshus. Reminding you what is below. Meanwhile sharp hi-hats are cutting in thru ya ears. Feel the contrast, the space between. From the right the snare drum CLASH! then echo off to the left to the left to the left to the left... Uncaptural lightning travelling thru space and time. While the riddim carry on, take you along to a journey beyond. A voice pops up in front of yor face "Jah Jah come..." then it's gone. Appear/dissappear But not to silence as you realise you can hear it in the distance. The melody far away on the edge of your expansive conshusness. Someone is singing out there. You try to contemplate this but BOOM! the lightning flash snare returns. This time it echoes around your head. Spinning around, you try to catch it but it's gone too qwik and you feel alone. Alone in space... except the riddim is still dere, holding you to the Earth, keeping you to your own piece of the Earth. The Peace of the Earth. The pace of the Earth. The place of your birth. An organ breathes it's song in and out of phase. Trying to materialize but never making it. Is it real or is it a dream. The guitar skanks - did you imagine it? A past memory or a future thought? Dub is ephemeral. Liquid music - hard to grasp, easy to imbibe. Why? Why not make something concrete? Good Dub lets the listener dive into his/her sub-conscious to bring what is inherently Oneself to the music. Dub is a journey for the soul. And journey can not exist without space and time. And space and time are not a journey without a traveller. Dub is the path. Dub is the Way. The sonic light to brite up di nite and mek tings right.

bin_ez

Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 05:59 am:

The way I see it Dub is all about the music....nothing more nothing less, the rhythm is what moves my whole being....I think to try and philosophise dub as "reinventing the old" "constant mutation" is , for want of a better sentence, complete and unadulterated bullshit, but that's just my oinion and no disrespect is intented.
Reading back over that it seems like Bird would be horribly and massivly insulted. Which is not how it was meant to seem...(in the spirit of the internet and in light of the fact that you're not gonna come to my house and batter me, I'll leave it in there). Dub as a way of thinking.....god...I just see Dub as an interpretation of something already created....like seeing a picture from a whole other angle....like if you could go back in time and see Leonardo da Vinci painting Mona Lisa from a different angle.....hmmmmm...If, say the Mona Lisa as we all know and love it was to be represented by, for example, Jacob Miller's "Baby I Love You So", and then another version of the Mona Lisa ( from the perspective of say, somebody sitting behind Leonardo to the left) would be represtented by King Tubby meets the Rockers uptown...(the single, not the album)...
y'know
King tubby was a genius....an electronic genius. Everyone buy the book Bass Culture (Loyyd Bradley). Its truly brilliant...

See yis later.

marco

Posted on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 01:46 pm:

dub is an unorganized order of errors and mutations.

JP.DS

Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 12:10 am:

Dub
Is the manipulation of musical tools and technology...
It is the vibratory manifestation of the mixing artist...

Dub is technoligical improvisation...
Electronic jazz created and preserved in a virtual music world...
The world of audio recording...
Further, when reproduced live, the world of live music production...

It is improvisation which utilizes technology to further search the realms of musical manifestation...

Dub is being in the now...
The flow of the moment... and aligning it so...
That it hybrids itself... Into a new form...
Discovering things that were hidden within what
was there... Finding that unique perception which raises the moment...

It is the recreation of harmonic resonance...
Like a mathematical formula which has functioned...
In this alignment, the music comes alive...
It reaches toward the upper spheres of the artistic life...

Like an impressionist, the dub artist paints on an audio canvas using mixers as brushes and fx as
paint... The artist preserves the moment in form... Art...

Dub music ties a music born through the rythms of the most ancient culture of people (Africa)... from a genre of music otherwise known as "The Music of the King" (reggae) with the technoligical evolution of man. It is the blending of two times, the ancient and the future... unto new forms of art, music, and experience...

Dub is quite the phenomenon... In whatever way
we try to interpret it...

deartheo

Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 07:46 am:

DUB CULTURE IS RASTA CULTURE

DUB CULTURE IS I&I CULTURE

COMPUTER~DUB IS RASTA BEATING BABYLON BY LEARNING AND THUS KNOWING BABYLON; PLUSH SAFE HE THINK

"FREEDOM OF RELIGION" ARE WORDS BABYLON WILL BEND

Mike Zee

Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:51 am:

and so, shall we pray ....

best,
respects,

but think more freely, me say ...;)
****
actually i've spent couple years in Siberia for thinking freely, t'was "good" learning experience 'bout human nature, so think again.

later

/Mike Zee

KoCha

Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 07:44 am:

JP.DS,
Really good definition of the art of mixing dub!

Dub is an art with new tech but most keep the old vibes, the vibes from the 70's that make all dance.
When you hear a dub it's like see a videoclip with image that transfor, go forward and backward, crash,....
All fx transform the image... so when Dub Clip on MTV ;) it's joke surrely, i prefer hear dub in soundsystem.

So i go mix some dubplates....

Keep on Dubbing.

KoCha

bitdump

Posted on Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:04 pm:

Dub is just like playing guitar. The studio becomes the instrument. Your heart, mind, soul and physical abilty is what brings the music from guitar. Same thing with a Dub studio.

The thing that is tricky is that a studio can be both a instrument or be a technical means to create a recording.

The only limits to Dub or any music is that imposed by the listen or the person who is creating it.

The Dub Conspirator

Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 01:43 am:

I'd say that Dub is about moving in a fourth dimension somehow... moving in sound.
Both when you listen to it and when you produce it... to me it always feels like I'm reaching inside a large hangar or room where the sounds are actually physical and moving.
The Dub process becomes a hand or an arm witch grabs the sounds and tosses them away or just cuddles and hugs them for a while, but never taking away their movement... it's like walking about in a riot caused by creativity and look at everyone participating as one person or as a group of persons: pairs, threes, fours and armies.
Everyone does the same thing: rioting, but at the same time they all do it different, thus creating a riot...
I've been fascinated by Dub since I heard it for the first time... love at first echoe.
Take Freedom Dub or Long Time Dub, they're fucking lovesongs... to music and to the free space that the dubsounds take for themselves.

Have you ever found yourself in the situation of liking the versions and dubs better that the actual reggae tunes they were made of?
I have...
it's like i said before: Dub turns these songs, sounds and fx free.

This is my (unweeded) opinion... Dub is not philosphy, it's art.

One Love.

Nomad

Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:07 pm:

i think Bird was trying to say that dub is more than just music-and more a state of mind or of being

JAS

Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:19 am:

Im only 17 years old, and ever since my uncle left records behind... My big bro of 22 plays them constantly. I have therefore been recently introduced to Dub and Reggae music.

I admit, I didn't exactly pay attention to the soundz of di rythm, but the bass line just got me listening... I am now a true fan of Dub and Reggae music, and I am blessed that I have an enviouse collection of records.

As my media project, I even chose to make a music video for Gregory Isaacs- Rumours. Rumours was the first track that got me interested in the Reggae genre. However, i still contradict my self and say that Dub/Reggae music is to be heard not seen on di TV screen or music video. But I wanted to challenge my beleifs, and I failed!!!

However, I am not black, nor am I white. Yes, I am Indian. I agree with Bird in sayin that Dub music is more than just a state of mind... I would add that it is about your culture and your roots. But, that does not mean that people of other ethnic backgrounds are bound from listening to Dub/Reggae. It depends if the person understands the culture, and respects the Rastafari religion... and I do. Take a look at the following lyrics of Apache Indians, Religion. That's the exact point I'm trying to convey as far as state of mind is concerned. . . ;)

I and I respect all Religion
I and I me pray to the Almighty One
Me give thanks and praise fe the righteous way
But me can't follow...no me can't follow one

Religion bring war and contradiction
One god we have one destination
Respect each other and nothing can wrong

Me say me learn bout Rama and Hari Krishna
Guru Gobind Singh and the height of Allah
Me look to the East and pray to Mecca
Jesus Christ Christian Messiah
Ina Jerusalem was born the saviour
King Salassi I down a Ethiopia
The conquering lion of the tribe of Judah
Natty Rastafari and me pray to Jah Jah
Me look and me search and me study Buddha
Say nuff mon a talk bout Sai Baba
God bless all mon who fight evil doer
That's why the angels a fan me with the eagles feather

Apache Indian- Religion (KARMA)

I would like to apologise if I have said anything to offend anyone... Please would you "put me straight" if you agree/ disagree with my comments.

Mike Zee

Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 03:52 pm:

Hi, JAS,

you are touching a really complicated subject here.

Shortly as I can, here's what I can say just for myself.
I'd say: RESPECT HUMANITY and people's freedoms.
Well, this is for me something very fundamental.
Beliefs are part of humanity, and shall beliefs go free.

I personally disagree with statement, that religion brings war. As I see it: war is always being brought by Agressor and Opressor.
Oppression means - NO FREEDOM.

I can say this:
We are all ethiopians on our way home, but we just going there our own way. And if you choose not to go, but stay right where you are - you are free to do so.

A word on a subject of black and white and non-of-it

Here's what I think.
I don't like the idea of 'we should be color-blind'. To my understanding: being 'color-blind' means being able to see the world only in gray color of Universal Soldier uniform, and it's ugly - very ugly. I like seeing colors, because this is what the world is like: different people, different cultures, different beliefs - IT's COLORFUL, and it's sooooo beautiful.

hope, I make some sense, ;)

best regards,
and respects,

/Mike Zee
ZDL

Jas

Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:37 pm:

Thank you for reply Mike!

I agree, I didn't know this would be a heated subject to touch.

I would also agree that without beliefs, there is not much of a quality life for us humans.
I think from my eyes, I would disagree with your statement that religion does NOT bring war.
However, this is your beleif and I and I respect that as I respect humanity. The reason I disagree is only because I've seen continuouse violence between two asian religions. It happens whenever the two 'religious' sides are in one place at the same time. It happened in slough (uk) the other week.. where I took a step back and realised there were two seperate sides of the crowd... and then when they interacted together, a fight broke out. So I personally would say that religion DOES bring war, as I see it with me own eyes in my community.

I think that the statement in Apache Indians lyrics about religion is actually referring to the asian community- like me he believes what he see.

Of course, seeing the world in grey is dull, sad and ugly. I would aslo say- RESPECT all cultures, be open minded- UNITE.. Y'kno? After all, a colorful world is a beutiful world!

However my point I was making in my previous message was:
that specific music genres can be stereo typically linked with culture. Yeh, it's abit obviouse... Not for me though 'cause music for me, is a universal language, and no matter what ur beliefs, music is for every soul on Gods land.
I would like to express my joy for finding finding Dub music...

One Love,
Jas

bin_ez

Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 05:33 pm:

Mike, I'm not an Ethiopian, I'm Irish.
And I'm not going home, shit, even if Ethiopia was my home I probably wouldn't want to go there.

Mike Zee

Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 05:57 pm:

Jas,
here are some thoughts...

It looks like: in today's fast world people got closer to each other much faster than they could learn to handle it.
People get information in REAL time, people can and do move from one place to another INSTANTLY, but they ARE NOT prepared to face it, to adapt, to blend-in, to eccept - to co-exist. Sadly, it looks like people do not want to learn how to co-exist

Or maybe , again, this is a phenomena of our time, - The Technology brought us together into one "tight room" and we just are NOT ready to take it.
I think it will be one or the other: either we learn to respect each other as soon as we can, either we eliminate each other.

I drow the line between Religion as reflection of human beliefs, and Religion-The-Low.
You see, the Low is something you must obey or be punished.
Religion-The-Low means: believe THIS and Live You Life as your "belief" guids you. Changing your "belief" is against The Low and will be punished. Religion-The-Low is a form of Oppression. Oppression is a growing soil, the platform for disrespect of other beliefs and for Aggression, Aggression is the begining of the War.

well, man, it is sure easy to just talk about it, the reality is way much more complicated... talking is a good start thou...

respects,
/Mike Zee

Mike Zee

Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 06:07 pm:

bin_ez,

LOL

sounds, like you're just as happy as you can be right where you are , heh heh heh

btw, as we all know, LSP has found his home too and he LOVES dark beer,

,

humour is a healing thing, Ya'know

later,
respects

/Mike Zee

Jas

Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:47 pm:

The dark beer?, I'm assuming u mean Genuis? Did ya'kno it's actually good for you?

Hahaaa! I geuss dark beer has a healing affect too- as well as humour!!

Peace 2 y'all xxx

bin_ez

Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 07:52 pm:

Guinness/Genius......?

Mike Zee

Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:09 pm:

yeaYh! "magic drink" direct from DUBlin -

bin_ez

Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 02:09 am:

Guinness is made by English people.

Mike Zee

Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 03:12 am:

bin_ez, really ???
I mean I have no idea, here simple guys in US think that Guinness is Irish beer.

heh heh , I guess we need some better education....

Now, what can you say about this, this is a quote from some guinness Q/A:
quote:
Arthur Guinness & Sons deliberately chose the harp symbol as its logo or symbol to appeal to nationalist pride in Ireland. The harp is also a symbol of Ireland., which appears on the back of their coinage. The Irish Government and Guinness versions of the symbol are identical, except for the fact that the Guinness Harp faces left, while the official government version faces right.
it's kind of all confusing,
could you pls spell some light on it?

any beer historians here... ???

later,

/Mike Zee

bin_ez

Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 04:54 am:

I thought you were Swiss or something, Mike...anyway..
Guinness started out as an Irish company I think but it got bought out by English people or something...actually Arther Guinness was probably a British guy living in Ireland (seen as they thought they owned our country for 800 years, y'know).......ah I don't have a clue, man....
but yeah Guinness is really a symbol of Ireland, but I think its just important to let it be known that it is an English owned company.
Yo! Guinness is straight up Dub Ital Culture.

I dunno, I'm rambling.....someone come up with some wild theory, to get attention....is Guinness Ital?

kris

Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 06:52 pm:

as i see it dub is? fun. sure its a lot deeper than that, manipulating exsiting sounds to create depth or texture(atmosphere) it can almost be called spiritual. there nothing better than cutting a new dub and turning off the lights and cranking the stereo up until the windows are shaking and your mum or dads bashing on your door. just sitting there by yourself in the glow of your moniter LEDs admiring your work.
i m normally half way thru a bottle of scotch at this point so i guess that just makes it even better.

jah_say_dub

Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 09:36 pm:

King Lion,

I like your theory... literally, You took the word outta my mouth!

Jah Guide

Stu Heather

Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:15 pm:

On the whole religion bidness....Religion dont bring war, them stupid people too dumb to accept what others believe...them bring war, its not like everyones gonna change their belief just to avoid war, the best way is just to learn about and respect other religions. Im not black, Im not no rasta...Im white...I love dub. i love reggae, i love all the rastaman culture, I love all the hindu culture. all the jewish culture...The painting you get when you paint a picture with all the brushes of culture in the world, theres no reason for a man to be persecuted cos of his belief, if people could see like this there would be no more war, like selassie I say "until the colour of a mans skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes" thats the way you have to see.

Respect to all cultures,
Stu

King Lion

Posted on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 05:11 pm:

Jah_Say_Dub,
Bwoy! Mi nevva tuch you mouth!! Course if you shake you booty in dem pum pum shorts me could get a liking to ya.

Seriously tho. Tanx, me glad I could mek a connection. All me frends and ppl me meet donno what Dub is... some ppl nah even heard a reggae! Tis a sad world.
When I read Bird's original post I was inna deep depression. An when I get like dat me cyaan do a ting. Got no music in me or nuttin. But him query got me tink bout Dub an what it mean to I and I. So I wrote it and it made sense (to a degree) an I got outta me depression, got some inspiration an all dat. Tanx and praises to Bird an to The Interrupta for dis forum.
Cha, I sank inta depression some time later but I happy fi di respite.

It late. Me prattling.
Peace, Love, Inity.

Jah_Say_Dub

Posted on Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:52 pm:

King Lion
Im glad that I iz made a connection to! Sorry about the late late reply... I've just come back from E.Africa...
Anywayz, I especially like the way u wrote/expressed "Dub is a journey for the soul. And journey can not exist without space and time. And space and time are not a journey without a traveller."

Take it easy
Jah Guide

kru_style

Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 05:21 pm:

Dubbing is the way...cause dubbing is a must...is a quest,an adventure...when sound is the best in our culture.

cheffy

Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 06:41 am:

dub is rule.

Draumorka

Posted on Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 02:23 am:

Hi there all of you.
Here are few things we would like to share with you. We live on a very remote island up norht, where we not only see northen lights every other night but also smoke them. As they drift over the sky on icy nights , large columns dancing side by side, shape shifters in color and form, we drift along with them on the waves of dub.It does not matter to us realy the music though we prefer minimal dubhouse. Just strip the music of and listen to the silence beetwen the reverb and the delay.It does not matter what music you are making the reverb and the delay are elements that bring it all together, they are the ones that stand together after everything is gone, they are the waves of the electricity that make the northen lights.Just like the mixingdesk chanels full of power, stripes that form northenlights like strands of sequencing information leave mental images in our memory after the they are gone. Through music we will be one because music is spirit and if you can hear spirit you must be a spirit. Hope you´ve been drifting whith us. May the light be with you. DRAUMORKA

bin_ez

Posted on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 01:50 am:

I'm there. For definite. But I listen to the precussion as well.

nematod

Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 09:28 pm:

Well he he , Ive only just read this loooong thread - ive been busy awhile (not music , unfortunately

) , but given that (and im *not* at all a Guinness fan) im "on the ground" so to speak (Bin Ez - that means back in the motherland!) im gonna have to check this out, and btw Bin Ez , about Arthur Guinness - doncha know that if you're born in Ireland you're an Irish Citizen ? Now for ya!
btw , the new Guinness ads on TV are pretty cool , like alternative histories - only they use real facts , which is interesting like the 17.59 thing and the harp logo on the pint glass ?? , i dunno , maybe theyre available on their website for you other good folks to check out!!
Take it Easy , Nem.

bin_ez

Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 04:50 am:

Ah but there's a difference between being Irish and being an Irish citizen. Nah, I'm only talking garbage. I don't know.

Anyway, that was a long, long time ago. i'm no longer responsible for any of that, it's Daniel's responsibility now. Sue him! Defamation of Arth Guinness' character.

Actually, when was the last time you were here? do you live in Ireland, because I asked you a question (here: http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discus/messages/2/71.html?) Well, it was back in May. Does Lee Perry have a studio down on the quays?

Those Guinness ads are rubbish. They aren't facts, man. Arth Guinness poured his first pint at 17:59? Come on. Those ones are okay, I hate that stupid one with the guy in the arctic somewhere. Ridiculous.

What was the one about the Harp logo?

ctrlz

Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 12:47 am:

delay is god speaking

ganjamann

Posted on Friday, March 28, 2003 - 09:44 am:

dub is like our dreams
mostly subconcious type of feelings
dub make ya feel irie
dub make ya crazy
dub nutin wihout ganja

nematod

Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 06:22 pm:

Ok , Bin Ez,
as i mentioned before i been really busy at uni (im in Galway, btw) , and dont have so much time to check *all* the posts anymore

Ok , so thr guinness ads are probably not facts:
the harp, the date & Time etc ,
but they add to the legend.
and it beats looking at some crap Heineken ads!!

I had a lovely pint of the black stuff the other evening , poured as it should be by an old man.
Just the one , mind!!

As for the arctic , thats about Tom Crean , one of the only survivors of Scotts trip to the antarctic. He managed to make it home , and opened a pub in Kerry or somewhere.

later,

ian gillies

Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:08 pm:

Dub is the art of re arranging a pre recorded reggae track using the mixing console and adding sound effects using the the effects proccesor.The Dub producer is 3 thing's an Instrumentalist,Re-arranger,sound man. But Dub is not confined to reggae, you can do a Dub version of almost any type of music.

manchakou

Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 04:21 pm:

I would say that reggae dub making is a perpetual essay in minimalism ,try build up an organic ,breathing dubby track relying on a single bass line and a few drumloops or out of a basic roots riff you probably see what I mean

sewan

Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 02:57 pm:

i think creating a dub tune is setting the single parts or instruments in a type of completely new landscape of sound, so they are not the same as before, just cause they have to prove themselves in the new neighborhood.so its just something old in a new soundscape.yo, stay irie.(let babylon burn)

Mike Zee

Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 04:12 am:

Well a little problem thou..., as for today: the reality is, that Lettin' 'IT' burn down may leave many many many dubsters homeless

respects,
/Mike Zee, aka Dr. ZEE

creecree

Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 03:22 pm:

I am very intrigued by the empty spaces of dub- its the emptiness in the middle that completes you- emptiness anchored by both soaring and deep objects on each side. I have just built a house and used my dub way of thinking in the architecture. wide open boundless spaces anchored by large soaring volumes- a feeling of air and space within. I listen to the pianist steve reich and I feel the same thing- grand, stand alone gestures, nothingness and bits of ethereal information filtering in and out. Sorry to go on- just a thought- im not sure if dub and architecture are usually thought of together.

BigTed

Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 01:05 am:

Not to perpetuate a stereotype, but I'd have to agree with the ganjamann. Dub, to me, is the same as the herb. It lifts you up, and takes you to different places you've seen/heard/felt, and gives you a whole new perspective and feeling. I think that is why the herb and dub go so hand-in-hand. The monotonous is made new. The mundane made interesting.

The technical side of dub, while extremely intriguing, is really just the pipe, facilitating the groove and the enlightenment. Like the herb, the hardware can come in many fashions and styles exhibiting different functionalities.

To be formulaic about it goes against all that is DUB (to me). Sure we should embrace the old, but we should also strive for the new.

Creecree, your house sounds awesome. I think architecture and dub can go hand-in-hand. I often look at paintings and think that the artist was in a dub state of mind. Sure we use dub as a tool to categorize music on a shelf, but it is much more to the true fans/believers. It�s a tradition, a feeling and a way of life.

Peace,

Ted

pavle

Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 10:04 pm:

nice post creecree.
it's something about the apparent space created in one's mind when listening to dub

elemental

Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 04:22 pm:

King Lion:

Your post on the dub description is a beautiful piece! It touched me deep!

I am a newcomer to dub, I came from jungle/drum'n'bass/electronic music... I have been producing for many years, now I am learning dub techniques.

For me it is about creating a space between the sounds, creating an organic atmosphere, ever changing, predictable yet unpredictable.
With the continuous rhythm and bass like a beating heart.

Mad Musicologist

Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 04:28 pm:

Irie !
DUB: adding new perspectives to the old:
- Space: The Hihat very close to your ears (no reverb), some reverb on the rinshots (they come from far off), echo on the voice: between the mountains.
- Sensuality: the rise of high frequency level in the echoed portions of sound relates directly to that "inner voice" I & I encounter after a fine spliff.
- Structure: As the tracks are not sounding all through a piece of music, the different layers come out clearly: the Bass line being independent from the horns and the vocals. (So Dub is adding listening aspects by reducing in a way.)
This is what makes Dub so inspiring, fascinating, addicting.
Give tanks an' I-ses to I an' I ina Jamdung an'
lickle Britain.
Tekkyah.
Mad Musicologist

Daybreak

Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 06:06 pm:

To King Lion.

I loved your description of dub music.

cosimo

Posted on Friday, February 06, 2004 - 04:53 pm:

when I m listening to dub music it makes me dreaming, sometimes it sends me out into another world sometimes in space, somtimes under the ocean, dub is tellin you a story without using words.
dub makes me cryin, it makes smilin
and it save me of my depressions
it make my thinkings positive and that s what i m seekin in my live

that was what i think of dub music

big thanks to all of you for makin possible this discussion board
"peace and love with ya"

cosimo

Posted on Friday, February 06, 2004 - 07:32 pm:

mike zee:
i read your text that you wrote to jas
and you made me understandin my self a bit more.
i m very thankful for this
i m 17 years old and i live in paris
i never believed in any religions but i believe
in my own thinkings. i know not much of the rastafari culture
but when i read your text i saw that it is a religion which is not far to what i believe
you made me understand something i always felt but never understood. if you have some time i would be very glad if you could explain me a bit more this co-exsisting. i think it s to obey your "second voice" in your head. This voice, is this what u call The Low???? i have many questions to this subject.
i would be very happy if you awnser me.
PEACE

Hallayjah

Posted on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 01:45 am:

I and I.

HI ALL.Hallayjha.
I'm from Barcelona and love Dub.
I think is the music for any activity, and every feeling. For me , the intresting it's the description of the word dicttionary/ The refference to the middel Ages. Rastaman is a warrior to be a better man,his actions guied be the earth and in constance respect with all.

The existance of the religion is natural, in every land exists Good.

The dub is a free way to express yourself, playing music, Dj, or way not, dancing.And the words are a constant message to you.

Love and Respect for All.
Hallayjha.

I am your classic

Posted on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 09:51 pm:

Dub is the infinitely low & bassy voice of God, voice of the soul

Mad Musicologist

Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 08:18 am:

Ises !
"Tek da Riddim" accomplished !
Naw a search fi a good weh fi distribute me
CD. Which label may be interested ? Any idea, link, other address is very welcome.
Give Thanx.
Mad Musicologist

setisan

Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 11:44 am:

storm in the brain
spatial disoriented
pressure concentrated
vibration twisted
the space of one length of time
equals the space within a mind
bass circulation demonstration
depth perception missed
spiritual virus
belief system overload in world war mode
changes made to the code
open the codex
conscious with the download
alternate version
special mission
tribal transmission
chemical communication
dig-ital alchemy

Daniel Eriksson

Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 02:04 pm:

I think u guys see some puzzles of the whole, cause u keep forgetting that mathematics and your mind is the philosofy not the Dub. That u can calculate a track to flow so psychadelic but so constant that people can be creative enough to paint or write some of the best shit they made. And u say that its a dream and all but the philosify is that u can calculate the exact move to make the human mind (even how boring the mind is) to fantasize and create beuty. This particular part is in all electronic music but dub is one of the best to do this to a person.

Pez

sniper

Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 03:00 pm:

say whut, no weed but nice shrooms inna Siberia, not the right mood for dubbing sandra

Bubbalon

Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 04:02 am:

New Zealand has a nice evolved sense of dub music and not that ive seen everything...but i do feel it has a strong presence in the dub scene and culture as it seems to be reinventing itsself all over the world.... ... i dont quite know were its gonna go but i am really into dub stylez, its really broad and open and yes you can sitdown and chill or getup and dance to the bass and rhythm....

as i say again NZ has some good music to offer

satan4jbw

Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 12:15 am:

Descriptions of pubs their atmospheresjbw

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