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Peter M



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:21 am    Post subject: dancehall piano sound Reply with quote

any advice on getting that sharp/bright synth piano sound as in late 80s early 90s dancehall (on a whole heap of Jammy's tunes for instance)I use reason 2.5 and have tried some dx7 and similar soundfonts but they are not even close (even w/with much tweaking). Reason has some great piano patches but they are "too good" for this sound

I know steelie and clevie used dx100, casio cz etc but cant find multisamples of these for the life of me.

Cheers
Pete
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Peter M



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:31 am    Post subject: dancehall piano sound Reply with quote

any takers?
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interruptor



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:31 am    Post subject: dancehall piano sound Reply with quote

umm... up to now i was quite sure dx-7 is the way to go as i know that a lot of reggae bands in the eighties and also much later used this instrument for offbeats. probably you just didn't get the right soundfonts? you could try the demoversion of fm heaven a vst synth which comes with a big bank of dx7 like sounds. can you use vst-synths within reason?
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Peter M



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:26 am    Post subject: dancehall piano sound Reply with quote

alas no
i did try some dx7 sf2 but perhaps they did not have the right patches on there

i will check out that site nonetheless
thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:41 pm    Post subject: dancehall piano sound Reply with quote

i listened to some late eighties jammy's dancehall tracks and actually got pretty close with yamaha factory presets loaded on a vst fm synth. so i think they used a fm synth at jammy's. probably they edited the factory piano preset to fit their own needs..

the problem with these piano sounds is that they are such horrible approximations of a real piano that nobody except some nerds like us would ever want to use them nowadays. the typical fm piano sounds people usually look for are the glassy e-piano patches which do sound different than the original rhodes piano but were very popular and became a sound category in their own right.
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Peter M



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:19 am    Post subject: dancehall piano sound Reply with quote

thanks u might be interested in this thread over at Versionist too: http://www.versionist.com/topic.php?id=7288

the dx100 got a run, but Im not sure its the one

I still feel it must be a preset/close to a preset because its on so many diff records from diff producers with the exact same sound...often with diff kinds of rev/delay but seldom much complex eq

its def that metallic timbre that u just dont find...

every fm piano patch I find has that glassy timbre...

the reason nn19 epiano patch is close/serviceable but not quite the same

the dx100 that is up on V. is close but still...:(

old school dancehall nerd/freak and proud of it ;)

wonder if anyone knows any of the key players from that era so we can settle this...?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:32 am    Post subject: dancehall piano sound Reply with quote

in fact asking one of the players would be easyest. steely & cleevie are still in the busyness. maybe they are nice guys like Steve Barrow at Blood&Fire Records who has a website with a discussion forum where he chats with the fans.. well, i am just dreaming :-)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:44 am    Post subject: dancehall piano sound Reply with quote

To emulate a CZ-1 you should try refx's (www.refx.net) PlastiCZ! Another way is to take the Native Instruments FM7, use an empty preset and do something with 2 carriers, one of them a square wave, the other one to 'scratch' that square wave. Also interesting: take the (free) mda Piano - not the e-piano! - (www.mda-vst.com), set it to minimal release and hard sound, run that through the mda speaker simulation, a bitcrusher/downsampler like refx's incredible Trasher, maybe a Tapedeck plugin and then compress it hard! Slams! You can check out that sound at www.jahtari.org, used it for numerous releases.
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Jahkls



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a Yamaha FM patch.
The DX100 "Deepgrand" preset might be it.
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Mini Nuke



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I woul suggest you should try the Roland MKS-20, this machine has got the metalic bright sound you are probably search for.
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KoCha



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you can achieve this sound with any kind of 'Electronic-Piano' emulation, I speak about the kind of 'rhode' simulator...

Depending on hardware/plugin you use, you can switch settings to get that specific sound.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the piano sound: See the second half of this video. Steelie and Clevie explain and demonstrate their instruments aproximately in 1988.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crARrMMKa50&feature=related

The Instruments:
- Yamaha DX-100: piano sound
- Oberheim DX : drum machine
- Yamaha CS-01: monophonic bass synth

.. and here is a 1986 tv commercial for the yamaha dx-100:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcAiOsGnxWY&feature=player_detailpage#t=290s
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interruptor



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And here is one more video which is not to be missed:

Noel Davey & the Casio MT-40: The Sleng Teng
http://vimeo.com/16905521

"This is a video of Noel Davey - the guy who switched up a pattern on the Casio MT-40 keyboard to create the the first fully computerised riddim in Jamaican music: the 'Sleng Teng'
The clip was filmed at Noel Davey's home in Waterhouse, Jamaica in 2001 for the pioneering web program 'Kingston Signals'."

Video recorded by Peter Dean Rickards
website: http://www.afflictedyard.com



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tradesman



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jahkls wrote:
I think it's a Yamaha FM patch.
The DX100 "Deepgrand" preset might be it.


this is the one on most of the 80s digi stuff , the dx21 also has this preset . you can also get the dump files from these synths and load them into fm8 native instruments.
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