DUB DISCUSSION BOARD

[ERIC]

wondering if anyone has an idea of any mixers w/ the most individual dedicated send & returns(not including subgrouping.looking for the most individual sends on one line for the most signal paths to reroute. have MPC3000, 2 3000xls(which,..may i add, are are you need for ANYTHING!) JP808,juno-2,SH-101,all the electrix wares,a bunch of other grimy effects,two turntables,tascam X9,plus two computers,one for cubase to run my MPC and all other midi,.and one for recording(soundforge).the most outs ive been able to find is on the eurodesk 9000, which ithink has 6, but again they are sub grouped.thnx much.peace.3

[Mike Zee]

the whole idea is to use available channels of your mixer and subgroups for live dubbing, instead of aux send/return(s)...or of course you can use a combination. With 8-bus console like mx9000 you get all you need for live dubing setup.
\For example you patch direct out of drums track channel to a next available channel-X (there you also have an eq!!!!! for send), so slider of channel-X becoms a 'send' of this specific channel (drums). You assign this channel-X to let's say group 1&2 (do not assign it to main mix!). Do not assign group1&2 to main mix. Patch group 1 (or 1&2 if stereo) to input of your effects unit. Patch output of your effects unit to a next available mixer's channel. This channel will becom a return slider, which also gives you eq-control option. Assign this channel to main mix. The best part of it is that you get SLIDERS! for send, eq-for send and sliders for return and eq for return. All these controls you use during live dubbing session, and you'll be pushing big sliders, instead of twisting tiny send/return's knobs ;-) And, you can use all 8 groups this way setting up vary effects sends and returns for specific tracks (channels), like for drums, vocals, instruments etc... You get this way good visual control (you can even "lable" channels/groups sliders, so you see what's what)...and start moving them to the riddim ..heh heh. As you can see for dubbing the most important is to have a mixer with as many as you can afford available channels and groups, rather than send/returns....

happy dubbing,
/Mike Zee aka Dr ZEE
ZEE DUB LAB

[KoCha]

You need lot of aux send (between 3-6), but all return must go to channel if you want to get da control... (so you need to get enough channel/group)

I've got a Mackie and they do the job very well...

Blessing to this board.

KoCha
http://www.almighty-dub.com/

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[G]

Go with an old soundcraft or a studiomaster.

[DC]

Yes i use a mackie sr24:4 for live... 6aux, 20 monochannelwith mic pre's, 2 stereo + 4 stereo returns. so i use 2 for monitoring and 4 for fx. And 1 subgroup as well for monitoring. If you're interested this one is for sale including flightcase "only"750 euro's (exc sending)

respx
DC

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Why is it so important to return the auxes to a channel?

[nosro]

mike zeeee .. great tips .. up until now i was only using the aux/send method .. will defenitly try out the direct out method and to use the sliders to drive the effects is a dream come thru since watching jammy in an old documentary riding his desk .... im really starting to love this forum ...big up !!!

[DrPsyence]

hello to anyone reading this post. Always bear in mind that the Insert point on most desks ( all? ) apart from being used for compressors etc is also an aux out and can be used to send a signal anywhere else. I would suggest that people try to find a good quality desk from Soundcraft as they're very reliable and built like tanks. Only the power supplies tend to go first and they can be replaced as they are external. Which brings me neatly to my pet crusade. Power, gentle people, and its quality are crucial! Crap power supplies and crap voltage regulators = lame, weak sound with no bass weight , bad ( muddy ) definition and limited dynamics with the headroom of an ant tunnel. So what has this to do with desks? Simple. the more channels you use , especially for FX where your duplicating your signal at least twice, the more background noise in the form of hum, buzz and hiss. A good power supply ( either reconditioned or custom built for your desk ) can add huge amounts of headroom and get rid of alot of niggling background crap. I have a Soundcraft Live 4 ( after trying a few other desks) which has ground compensated inputs which I used to mix Jesse Green and the Skazzmatics on recently and the desk behaved like one that cost ten times the amount. Just because we took care of the power and used balanced connections wherever possible. These are simple tweaks and common sense that doesn't have to cost a fortune and can help if your on a tight budget. Oh yeah, one last thought. Make sure all the equipment that has a direct connection to the desk is powered off ONE power socket. Domestic plugs will take just over 3000 watts of power, so only the PA power amp/ active speakers will be an issue if your sailing close to the mark. If thats the case the amp/ actives can run off another plug as they're not coming back to the desk, although it does raise the chances of ground loop hum.
Doctors advice: Y'gotta stay safe and healthy to collect yer royalties!

[JahNice]

Thanks for this knowledge you re sharing doc! I never put much thought
on the matter of supplying power to my desk. Now that i think of it, i
many times propably also have used alot of effects and instruments,
powered from different power sockets than my mixing console... So
thanks for the informations, as i am young and eager to learn about stuff
like this.. I listened to jesse green & the skazzmatic, really good work. I
like the music and the way it is mixed! Nice organic roots reggae band sound!

peace

[DrPsyence]

Thanks for listening! Vinyl due out shortly. If other folks would like me to open up a forum discussion on cleaner power and acoustic decoupling and isolation, shout it out. I don't get off on pontification but I hate to see people on tight budgets overlook cheap solutions.
Thought for the day:- The grass is always greener when its someone elses.