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ion5



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: anyone got one fe sell? Reply with quote

well wut should i say
looking for one, if sumone may have multiple of em..

as well as an HH tape echo Smile
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interruptor



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi
sorry.. i have only one dubbed out
i got it on ebay. usually before bidding on a running auction i use the search function for past auctions to get an idea of what price to expect.
unfortunately vintage gear from ebay is not cheap usually. alternatively you could just buy a new spring tank or take one out of a guitar amp and connect it to your mixer as mentioned by dubcreator long time ago:

http://www.interruptor.ch/Php5/dubboard/viewtopic.php?p=7635
"I just received this note from Dubcreator regarding his experience when connecting the reverb tank directly to the aux send/returns:

Greetings Daniel, bout the spring reverb.... yes i tried it myself and in my case it works. But it depends on the headroom, max gain and also how high the aux output is. I have a Mackie desk with enormous headroom. It also depends on the sensivity of the transducers in the spring box. But a single spring unit has a very low output, always. But a small preamp is easy to build. Just a couple of capacitors, resistors and an opamp(if you´re handy with a solderingiron). What i also have tried is a riaa preamp used for turntables, also works well. What i also can say is that connecting 2 spring in series or parallel..... doesn´t work Sad "
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Dub Attack Force



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately if you want the exact same gear as the classic studios used, you will have to dig deep in your pockets. If on the other hand you're just after the genuine spring reverb sound and are less concerned about having the same model as the oldtime producers, then it's still possible to have it even if you're an artist of more modest means.

It's still possible to buy a vintage 70s/80s spring reverb effect unit (not a Fisher or anything like that though) with just a few pounds/dollars/euros (mine cost 5 GBP), but this kind of info is best reserved for dub enthusiasts in the hope that it stays cheap for the sake of the artists and not the gadget freaks who want one to go with their Les Paul guitar etc. So, if any dub people want to know how to buy a cheap vintage reverb FOR PRACTICAL DUB PURPOSES Smile then feel free to PM me.
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ion5



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaya nono : ) dont get me wrong idrens, not trying to copy equipment list of the old days..... but well i ve a vermona retroverb here (that was really not cheap) and its an interesting very flexible unit no question... but the crash`s a imo kinda short and i cant get the HH`s sounding really good spring-like hmm somehow not enuff heights or so....

but for manipulation of the reverbs and also the filter section on the unit is superb... still the spring is not what i hoped it d be...

so my bro u got an PM Smile
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Dub Attack Force



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Thanks for your PM. I am very happy to send you details (please check your PMs).

Forgive me if it seemed I was making assumptions about you - that wasn't the case. Simply, I was thinking about the Ebay effect and music fashions. Such as, for instance, the bloated prices for things like vintage 80s Casio keyboards on Ebay, which all started because a guy in Australia and a guy in Germany who were interested in these things both set out tons of info about different keyboard models on their websites (Warranty Void and Casionova). Also, things like Zeiss cameras, C64 homecomputers, the list goes on and on.

When it comes to spring reverbs (with an EQ on the out Smile) as far as I'm concerned it's like White Widow versus Jack Herer and others: whatever the strain they all do great things on drums and chords. Smile
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ion5



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

man really thanks so much for the linkup! cant wait for modifie and test it...
i just hope the guy will send it to germany (i just bought it even he write "only to GB") arghh....

are u inna Uk bro? maybe u could help out if he just resists send it here....
than he could sen to u and u to me? Smile

and gotta say it fits exatcly my taste of building up sound-source-equipment
from such stuff
(if u ve got similar hints u ve found a very interested ear here)
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Neil C



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ebay is where I got my Spacexpander.
You can set something up on ebay where you get emailed anytime a new item that matches your terms gets listed.
There's one on at the moment - looks to be in good condition.

If you get a US one (as it's likely to be) and you want to use it in UK you need a voltage transformer - you can get one for about £12.
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ion5



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes i ve seen it
but the wet-dry control seems to be missing ... is it easy to use sth else for it?
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Neil C



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is instruction on this thread about making your own mix control (it is nice to have the orginal one though):
http://www.interruptor.ch/Php5/dubboard/viewtopic.php?t=234

As it happens I don't use my controller because I use mine always with 100% reverb (there is a three way switch on the unit where you can switch between normal controller mixed reverb / or 100% 'reverb only') - this means I can play my dry track through it, and record the all reverbed version on a new track. I then have the dry track and the reverb track in my DAW - I can then adjust the mix between the two anytime I want rather than have to go back and re-track the reverb.
Likewise if you had the Spacexpander on a send from a mixer you would switch it to all reverb.
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KoCha



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ion5 wrote:
yes i ve seen it
but the wet-dry control seems to be missing ... is it easy to use sth else for it?


If you want to do real live dubwise, you are going to use it as 'aux' so, you need to have it set to 100% wet. So if the pot is break at 100% it's not a problem at all Wink

I never use this knob on mine... it's for guitar player that use it with amplifier
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ion5



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but can one also do the crash ting with a spacxpander?
maybe hitting it a bit or so?
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Neil C



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely you can do the crash thing. The spring tank is seperate and the springs are fully exposed on one side.
You can shake and hit it all you want and get thunder crashes to your heart's content.
I don't because I don't want to risk damaging it. It would be a shame to ruin a 40 year old component that has lasted all this time, even though you can get new replacements.
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ion5



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so is there any way without much risk to do it? maybe only hit next to it, or modifie it somehow?
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interruptor



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh you don't need to hit THAT hard to make it crash. And it's built quite sturdy. Anyway today I think this "hit the spring" thing is overrated. After you have done that once or twice on a track it will soon get a bit boring. Sure you can use the effect here and there but it's not what will make your dubs better than any others.
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ion5



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sure, i can do it now with the retroverb, and know what u mean, but dont wanna be unable to still

btw probably gonna sell the nearly new retroverb with 2 years guarantee soon, if i am happy with the new tryouts...
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ion5



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyway.... what is a good fair price for the fisher? lets say inkl. shipping
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Safetytrousers



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I got mine for about £110 (Sterling) exluding delivery. Delivery I guess is going to to depend on service and location, although I guess I would budget for around £30 (give or take £10 either way).
I would say the going price is between £80 to £150 for one in good working condition, but I haven't looked for a while. If I was selling mine (which I'm not) I wouldn't accept less than £80.

(I'm Neil C, by the way).
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interruptor



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The price of mine was too high to disclose in public.. Uhoh
But as mentioned above: I suggest to search for finished auctions on ebay and check what people were willing to pay during the last few months.
Generally on auction platforms it's a good idea to search also for alternative spellings and type mistakes (such as "reggea" instead of "reggae"). Thus you may find an auction that only few others (if any) will notice - which leads to a better price for you. seen?
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