How much to pay for a Watkins Copicat?

Nematod · Post by **Nematod** » Thu Apr 19, 2001 10:45 am

Im probably (definitely!) gonna buy a Watkins Copicat off some guy next week , does anyone know how much theyre worth? Im not sure if its a valve or the solid state model though. BTW , the tape loops are still available from watkins : www.wemwatkins.co.uk

Post by **interruptor** » Thu Apr 19, 2001 4:40 pm

Hi Nematod! Check this <A HREF="http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/ ... l">page</A> at harmony central with 2 reviews. They mention prices of 50 and 90 british pound. <A HREF="http://www.euroshima.com/synth/gear.html">Over here</A> a copycat is offered for 225US$.. a bit price but they really have nice <A HREF="http://www.euroshima.com/images/gear/gallery/">pics</A>! finally <A HREF="http://www.junkmail.co.za/Browse/Is2001 ... 8A.HTM">at this site</A> one is offered for 350 Rand (south africa) peace The Interruptor

Nematod · Post by **Nematod** » Fri Apr 20, 2001 9:35 am

Unfortunately the copicat had been sold , but the seller also has a vintage Binson 3-input echo unit , its just been serviced as the parts are still available , but it doesnt use tape , it has some magnetic disk inside. this is for £70 stg. is this worth getting or am i better off waiting for a copicat?? any help appreciated.

Post by **interruptor** » Fri Apr 20, 2001 4:49 pm

The <A HREF="http://www.binson.com/index.html">Binson homepage</A> gives information about the different models. Disc echoes were more expensive and looked at as a better quality alternative to tape echo units. As far as I can see the Binsons are generally still being sold at higher prices than tape echoes ==> see these two links: <A HREF="http://www.toneheaven.ndirect.co.uk/Bri ... .htm">1</A>, <A HREF="http://www.harris-hire.co.uk/effects/echo2.htm">2</A> The Binsons seem to be favoured a lot by guitar players who are into the Pink Floyd type of psychedelic music. I couldn't figure out however whether the better quality could actually be a drawback for dub purposes. I guess you should listen to this unit yourself before buying it..

Nematod · Post by **Nematod** » Mon Apr 23, 2001 9:06 am

This one is an Echorec 2 , and has been recently serviced. the parts are still available also. I wouldnt worry about a "too clean" sound , there are plenty of ways to take care of that <IMG SRC="http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discu ... /happy.gif" ALT=":)">

DC · Post by DC » Tue Apr 24, 2001 10:08 am

I have the experience with these disk echo's that they cannot be feedbacked very good. I have a copycat with valves and when you feedback the copycat through his own aux send you can get very nice controllable bleeps from the oscillating valves. i picked one up a couple of years ago for 75 guilders, that's about $30,-us. But i guess i was lucky. it seems like they're worth a lot more.

Karl Johnson · Post by **Karl Johnson** » Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:23 pm

Hi NEMATOD, did you buy the binson or did you get a copicat. I am interested in getting hold of a Binson. Do you want to sell, or do you have the deatils from the guy who you mentioned? My email is <A HREF="mailto:gargantuansound@hotmail.com">gargantuansound@hotmail.com</A> Cheers Karl

Morgan Lin · Post by **Morgan Lin** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 6:59 pm

Hi All, It seems that there is a general problem with Binson units. The wiring inside the echo unit gets brittle over time and the insulation on the wire cracked and actually falls off. I had to rewire my PE-603-TU completely but the unit is still not functioning. Morgan

Atomic · Post by **Atomic** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:31 am

Hi Morgan ! I had to do exactly the same thing with my baby binson . One day it just wasnt working , and upon investigating I found that all the signal wiring inner insulation had crumbled , and everything was shorting.Replaced with good new stuff , and bingo ...up and running again! Its not a difficult job really , but there are lots of wires! The sound of the binson is cleaner and harder than , say that of a copicat or space echo . Guys like Nigel Godrich and Darren Allison still use this stuff on their records.I heard the latter gettin some amazing dubby noises out of a rebadged sound city echomaster , a couple of years ago,on a mix session.. The Binsons are pretty indestructable too , and eric at binson.com really knows his stuff . If you see one , grab it! love

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